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1851 Cen. Living Patchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with wife; their daughter Ellen; her son John James by earlier relationship. Charles’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - labourer at iron works; child Charles Thomas - office boy at bedstead factory, also present 1 visitor.
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
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1841 Cen. Living Canal Street, Birmingham parish, rec as Ellenor, age rounded down to 20, living with son William SHORT aged 6 and with parents rec. as Thomas & Ellenor SHORT.1851 Cen. Living Patchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - labourer at iron works; child Charles Thomas - office boy at bedstead factory, also present 1 visitor.
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholarbaptised with siblings Nathaniel & Samuel, first name rec. as ‘Hellen’ and parents rec. as Thomas & ‘Hellen’ SHORT
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1851 Cen. Living Patchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents, brother, sister and half-brothers William SHORT & John James SHORT
Name JONES too common to establish positive identification in later Cens. at this stage without further corroboration
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1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents, sisters and half-brothers William SHORT & John James SHORT1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents
Name JONES too common to establish positive identification in later Cens. at this stage without further corroboration
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One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no trace
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born Warwickshireemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no trace1871 Cen. Eliza is with new husband and his children by previous marriage - her own child is with her parents. Second husband occupation is lawyer.
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
1891 death of Eliza Stone SHORT reg GREEN Mar Q 1891 Aston 1891 Cen at ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, is Eliza’s son by her first marriage, who is a widowe,r (his wife was Mary Ann ABBOTT) with his son. Also present is Eliza’s second husband Francis William GREEN, now a ‘pattern maker’ with his daughter by his first marriage, Jane GREEN - a certified elementary school teacher.
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born Warwickshireemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no trace1871 Cen. Eliza is with new husband and his children by previous marriage - her own child is with her parents. Second husband occupation is lawyer.
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
1891 death of Eliza Stone SHORT reg GREEN Mar Q 1891 Aston 1891 Cen at ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, is Eliza’s son by her first marriage, who is a widowe,r (his wife was Mary Ann ABBOTT) with his son. Also present is Eliza’s second husband Francis William GREEN, now a ‘pattern maker’ with his daughter by his first marriage, Jane GREEN - a certified elementary school teacher.
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
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1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: Pearl Button FinisherKF's 1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales with daughter, parents, brother Albert Joseph.
1901 not traced
1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England ScholarThere is 7 year old Eliza b. Birmingham who is described ‘daughter’ but is almost certainly the child of unmarried daughter Emma
Buired at Pisgah Baptist Chapel Bancffosfelen - aged 20 - died in childbirth.
Buired at Pisgah Baptist Chapel Bancffosfelen - aged 6 months.
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireCourt Heneage St. (between numbers 193, 194)
Head, William SHORT, aged 20, Castor born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 20, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
(According to the GRO Index William SHORT got married in King’s Norton in the December quarter of 1850).email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1851 Cen. Living at Court between 193 & 194 Heneage St, St Matthew Parish, Aston with wife. Occupation: Caster1861 Cen. Living 3 Williams Buildings, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with wife Mary Ann; children Mary Jane, James Thomas & John Edward; also present Martha HIGGS aged 23, visitor. William’s occupation; Iron Caster
1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with wife Mary Ann; children James Thomas - mechanic, John Edward, Martha Elizabeth, Ellen Elizabeth & Mary Ann Maria. William’s occupation: Iron Founder
1874 death of wife Mary Ann reg. mar Q 1874 9c 266 Eccleshall Bierlow (Near Sheffield) former West Riding of Yorkshire
m(2) after 1871, bef. 1881 Jane, b. 1830/1 Kempsey, Worcestershire
KF's 1881 census
56 Langdon St, Ecclesall Bierlow, York, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 4638/94 Page 8
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
William SHORT M Male 49 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Founder
Jane SHORT M Female 48 Kempsey, Worcester, England
John E. SHORT U Male 20 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Caster
Mary A.M. SHORT U Female 11 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
William H. SHORT Male 9 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar1881 Cen. Living 56 Langdon Road, Ecclehall Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire with second wife Jane; and children by first wife John Edward, Mary Ann Maria, & William Henry
1891 Cen. Living 96 Albert Road, Heeley, Nether Hallam, Sheffield with second wife; daughter Mary Ann Maria; and granddaughter Lilly day aged ?7? b. Sheffield. William’s Occupation: Malleable Iron Caster
1901 Cen. Living with wife and servant at 68 Back Chesterfield Street; occupation: retired iron caster. Note wife rec. as W SHORT but age and place of birth appear to confirm Jane.
Son of Hellen/Ellen SHORT by earlier relationship
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1841 Cen. Living Canal Street, Birmingham parish with mother, brother and mother’s parents1851 Cen. Living Patchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with mother and stepfather; brother, step brother & stepsisters. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor. Occupation: Iron Wire Drawer
1871 Cen: living 13 Parry Place, Plumstead, Kent - wire drawer, with wife Amelia b. 1846/7 Birmingham, and ‘niece’ Elizabeth SHORT b. abt. 1865. This is brother William’s daughter, Elizabeth.
1881 Cen. Wife Amelia, and their two children Charles SHORT aged 4 b. Woolwich Arsenal & Annie E SHORT aged 1 b. Birmingham staying with mother & stepfather at 1 Thornton Buildings, Bordesley, Birmingham but John James not present and not traced further
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar