Descendants of Thomas Short b abt 1776

Notes


Idris BIGGS

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
moved to Swindon & died there


Mary

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
moved to Swindon & died there


William J FRATER

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
born 6.11.1857 called William of Clerkwell (presumed he lived there)
only had one son?

BMD Death ref
Frater William J D 1938 Sept Islington 1b 234 80 1858

This is a bit late for William could it be a son marrying another FOORD?
Frater William Oliver M 1902 Dec Islington 1b 495 From Free BMD Annie Elizabeth Foord

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He is referred to as William Frater of Clerkenwell. (Why the name of the area attached? [KF]) born 6 N 1857 presumably for November. Married in Trinity Church 1 F 1880 died 12 Jy 1938 Type r (I don't understand this reference [KF])

James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 49 Page: 19
Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints London

Although William is not found the following person is found on the 1881 census familysearch.org.
1881 Census
3 Adelaide Place
London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341087
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0402 / 48 Page Number 41
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William PREATER Head M Male 27 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England General Labourer
Ellen PREATER Wife M Female 26 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Laundress
William PREATER Son U Male 4 m Hoxton, Middlesex, England

1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell


Elizabeth Ellen FOORD

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all this persons details

Dwelling 10 North Street Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341077 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0355 / 47 Page Number 14
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Jane FOORD Wife (Head) M Female 58 London, Middlesex, England Nurse
John D. FOORD Son U Male 17 London, Middlesex, England Polisher
Frances A. FOORD Daur U Female 24 London, Middlesex, England Machinist
Ellen E. FRATER Daur M Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Dress Maker
Willie FRATER Gran Son U Male 11m London, Middlesex, England
Mary PHILLIPS Relative M Female 51 London, Middlesex, England
Henry F. PHILLIPS Relative U Male 12 London, Middlesex, England Scholar

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. The census shows her as Ellen E but the tree produced by Edward (grandson) is Elizabeth Ellen who dies in 1947 age 85

1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell


Charles FRATER

1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell

1901 Census
RG 13/251 Page 4
Ecclesiastical St Silas
Municipal Finsbury
Ward No 1 (Pentonville)
Parliamentary Islington South
64 Wynford Road, Clerkenwell
Frederick Purle Head M 56 Bowyer (Toy) London
Caroline Purle Wife M 50 London
Willie Purle Son M 22 Cabinet Maker London
Lilly Purle Saughter S 20 Machinist (Shirt) London
Peter Purle Son S 17 Smith (Blacks) London
Joseph Purle Son S 15 Errand Boy (Port) London
Caroline Purle Daughter S 9 London
Mary Knight Drand-daughter S 4 London
Jane Foord Mother-in-Law W 78 London
Charles Frater Nephew - 18 London


Lily FRATER

1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell


Alice FRATER

1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell


John FRATER

1.5.2004 Using IGI familysearch.org the name is spelt FRAITER

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"

taken from Muiravonside Parish Marriages (1692 - 1875)

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He has James married to Janet Fergus.


Jannet FORGIE

IGI familysearch.org has he marrying FRAITOR

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"

taken from Muiravonside Parish Marriages (1692 - 1875)

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He has James married to Janet Fergus.


Christian FRATER (FRAITER)

taken from Muiravonside Parish Marriages (1692 - 1875)

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"


John FRATER (FRAITER)

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"


Henry FRATER (FRAITER)

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"


Jean FRATER

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"


Janet FRATER

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"


Thomas BELL

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works


Margaret FRATER

email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works


Margaret BELL

email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.


William James FRATER

Birth dates given by Leicester these are closest entries on birth index
Frater William James B 1882 March Pancras 1b 112
Frater William James B 1880 June Holborn 1b 773

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

BMD Marriage ref: Marriages Qtr Jun 1902
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Frater William James Holborn 1b 1003
POWELL Sarah Caroline Holborn 1b 1003

Dwelling 10 North Street Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341077 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0355 / 47 Page Number 14
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Jane FOORD Wife (Head) M Female 58 London, Middlesex, England Nurse
John D. FOORD Son U Male 17 London, Middlesex, England Polisher
Frances A. FOORD Daur U Female 24 London, Middlesex, England Machinist
Ellen E. FRATER Daur M Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Dress Maker
Willie FRATER Gran Son U Male 11m London, Middlesex, England
Mary PHILLIPS Relative M Female 51 London, Middlesex, England
Henry F. PHILLIPS Relative U Male 12 London, Middlesex, England Scholar

Date taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
death data show him a retired French Polisher

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell


Sarah Caroline POWELL

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

BMD Marriage ref:
Frater William James M 1902 June Holborn 1b 1003

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.


Alexander FRATER

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.


Malcolm FRATER

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
(viv 1983). Had Downs Syndrome.