Descendants of Thomas Short b abt 1776

Notes


John CARPENTER

This John Carpenter may be already on the PAF as one of the other John's but more detail is needed to clarify the situation.

1851 census
42 Coley Hamley this should say Hamlet CARPENTER Charles 40 Ag. Lab Axbridge, Som. Mary 37 East Harptree, Som John 14 Errand Boy East Harptree, Som Sarah 11 Scholar East Harptree, Som Eliza 6 Scholar East Harptree, Som Francis 4 Scholar East Harptree, Som Maria 1 East Harptree, Som

1861 census from Phil Clements
The 1861 Census - St John & St Benedict Parish, Glastonbury - Res: Chilkwell St - Piece 1667 - Folio 6 - Page 7 - Schedule 35
John Carpenter Head M 24 Plate Layer on Railway East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 26 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 2 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 3mos Glastonbury

1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury

The 1881 Census - Chew Magna Parish - Res: Copping Hill - Piece 2426 - Folio 28 - Page 24
John Carpenter Head M 44 General Labourer Harptree Emma Carpenter Wife M 45 Glastonbury Minnie Carpenter Daur 11 Scholar Glastonbury George Carpenter Son 8 Scholar Glastonbury Frederic Carpenter Son 6 Scholar Glastonbury

1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker

1901 census from Phil Clements
The 1901 Census - Ystradyfodwg Parish - Res: 52 Scott Row - Piece 5102 - Folio 63 - Page 33 - Schedule 190
John C Watts Head M 32 Reservist Bedminster English
Minnie Watts Wife M 32 Dressmaker Own acc Glastonbury English
Katie Watts Daur 5 Treherbert English
Herbert J Watts Son 3 Treherbert English
Annie Watts Daur 2 Treherbert English
Ivor C Watts Son 5mos Treherbert English
John Carpenter Boarder W 65 Labourer in Coal Mine Worker E Harptree English


Emma

1861 census from Phil Clements
The 1861 Census - St John & St Benedict Parish, Glastonbury - Res: Chilkwell St - Piece 1667 - Folio 6 - Page 7 - Schedule 35
John Carpenter Head M 24 Plate Layer on Railway East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 26 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 2 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 3mos Glastonbury

1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury

The 1881 Census - Chew Magna Parish - Res: Copping Hill - Piece 2426 - Folio 28 - Page 24
John Carpenter Head M 44 General Labourer Harptree Emma Carpenter Wife M 45 Glastonbury Minnie Carpenter Daur 11 Scholar Glastonbury George Carpenter Son 8 Scholar Glastonbury Frederic Carpenter Son 6 Scholar Glastonbury

Death is shown as before 1891 as John (& son Frederick) are in South Wales in 1891 as a widowerliving with his son Jesse


Edith CARPENTER

1861 census from Phil Clements
The 1861 Census - St John & St Benedict Parish, Glastonbury - Res: Chilkwell St - Piece 1667 - Folio 6 - Page 7 - Schedule 35
John Carpenter Head M 24 Plate Layer on Railway East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 26 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 2 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 3mos Glastonbury

1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury


Lena CARPENTER

1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury


Alice CARPENTER

1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury


John GALLOWAY

On the Galloway side I have incorporated the birth dates of all George Galloway's children. These were discovered by Norman Carpenter in the Galloway Family Bible which I believe he saw at Ronald Galloway's house, 74 Miskin Street, Treherbert when he visited there on 21 July 1966.
All the Scottish Galloways were born at Hatton Burn Farm and all christened at Balgedie Presbyterian Church.

Free BMD shows marriage of 1 John Galloway and 1 Emma (Denby)
District Pontypridd vol 11a Pg 395

4064 1861 CENSUS OF MIDDLE HAMLET. REF.R.G.9/4064, E.D.7.
Piece: 4064 Folio: 002 Schedule: 034
Address: CWMSAERBREN
GALLAWAY GEORGE HD M 41 FARM BAILIFF SCT - (c1820)
GALLAWAY ELIZABETH WI M 31 - SCT - (c1830)
GALLAWAY ARCHIBALD SO U 15 COAL MINER SCT - (c1846)
GALLAWAY GEORGE SO U 13 AG LAB SCT - (c1848)
GALLAWAY JOHN SO U 11 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1850)
GALLAWAY AGNES DA U 9 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1852)
GALLAWAY JANE DA U 7 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1854)
GALLAWAY RACHAEL DA U 5 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1856)

1881 Census
Dwelling: 145 Dumfries St. Census Place: Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342275 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5300 Folio 133 Page 31 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John GALLOWAY M 31 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner Emma GALLOWAY M 31 F Somerset, England Rel: Wife George GALLOWAY 10 M Treherbert, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William GALLOWAY 8 M Treherbert, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Archibald GALLOWAY 5 M Treherbert, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Edith GALLOWAY 3 F Treherbert, Glamorgan, Wales

1891 census
RG12/442? Pg 5 or 6 (both are down as separate page numbers)
22 Dumfries Street
John Galloway, Head, 41, Colliery Roadman, Scotland, English & Welsh speaker
Emma Galloway, Wife, 41, England, English speaker
William H Galloway, 18, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Archibald Galloway, 15, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Edith Galloway, 13, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
David Galloway, 6, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Harry Sykes, Cousin, 19, coalminer, England - Stoke Gifford (Gafford), English speaker


Emma DENBY

Free BMD shows 1 John Galloway and 1 Emma (Denby)
District Pontypridd vol 11a Pg 395

1891 census
RG12/442? Pg 5 or 6 (both are down as separate page numbers)
22 Dumfries Street
John Galloway, Head, 41, Colliery Roadman, Scotland, English & Welsh speaker
Emma Galloway, Wife, 41, England, English speaker
William H Galloway, 18, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Archibald Galloway, 15, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Edith Galloway, 13, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
David Galloway, 6, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Harry Sykes, Cousin, 19, coalminer, England - Stoke Gifford (Gafford), English speaker


David GALLOWAY

email from Anita GALE 5 Jan 2005 states that he was called Davey.

1891 census
RG12/442? Pg 5 or 6 (both are down as separate page numbers)
22 Dumfries Street
John Galloway, Head, 41, Colliery Roadman, Scotland, English & Welsh speaker
Emma Galloway, Wife, 41, England, English speaker
William H Galloway, 18, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Archibald Galloway, 15, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Edith Galloway, 13, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
David Galloway, 6, coal miner, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Harry Sykes, Cousin, 19, coalminer, England - Stoke Gifford (Gafford), English speaker


Richard EVANS

Known at this address in 1909. Married to "Maggie".
Brother-in-law to George Galloway Jr, but cannot work this out as all of George's sisters are "married" with other surnames. Is margaret another sister not known about?

Now worked out that Maggie is Margaret Alice (George's half sister)

details from "Marriages in Ystradyfodwg" index held at Treorchy Library


Margaret Alice(Maggie) GALLOWAY

Here is the 1881 census details if it is of any help Dwelling: 16 Butcher Shop Dunraven Street Census Place: Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342275 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5300 Folio 87 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George GALLOWAY M 70 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Butcher Elizabeth GALLOWAY M 50 F Scotland Rel: Wife Stuart GALLOWAY U 16 M Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Collier Margaret GALLOWAY 14 F Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Ellen GALLOWAY 11 F Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Francis GALLOWAY 8 M Glamorgan, Wales

details from "Marriages in Ystradyfodwg" index held at Treorchy Library


Herbert EVANS

details from "Marriages in Ystradyfodwg" index held at Treorchy Library


George Arthur BRADLEY

Lance Corporal during war (have post card photo with written reference)

1891 Census
RG12/2432 page 24 Civil Parish of Aston, Municipal Ward of Brook Parish of St. Mary
Webster Street (House number and house name is unreadable)
George BRADLEY Head M M 24 Birmingham, Warwickshire employed Brass Founder & Steel Turner
Lucy BRADLEY Wife M F 28 Birmingham, Warwickshire employed P* Button Carder
George BRADLEY Son U M 6mths Birmingham, Warwickshire
Emma Bradley mother M F 55 Birmingham, Warwickshire unreadable notes in employment column

1901 Cen. Living 6 Inkerman Street, Aston Manor, Birmingham with parents


Leonard PROCTOR

Murdered at Christmas time outside pub by two youths


Elizabeth LEWIS

1901 census re: RG13/5110 Folio 28 Pg 2
Schedule 6 - Rhydlydan - 2 rooms
David Lewis Head, married 28 Coal Hewer Welsh speaker
Phoebe Lewis wife, married 31 Welsh speaker
Elizabeth Lewis daughter, single 7 Welsh speaker
Margaret Lewis daughter, single 2 Welsh speaker

Buried at Llandyry Chuch Trimsaran - resided at 51 Garden Suburbs Trimsaran

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


David LEWIS

Was witness to daughter Elizabeth's Wedding

1881 census
Tanybont, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/14 Page 4
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Richard LEWIS Head M Male 31 Carmarthen, Wales Railway Labourer
Margret LEWIS Wife M Female 30 Carmarthen, Wales
Anne LEWIS Daur Female 11 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
James LEWIS Son Male 10 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
David LEWIS Son Male 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John LEWIS Son Male 5 Carmarthen, Wales
Thomas LEWIS Son Male 3 Carmarthen, Wales
William LEWIS Son Male 1 Carmarthen, Wales

1901 census re: RG13/5110 Folio 28 Pg 2
Schedule 6 - Rhydlydan - 2 rooms
David Lewis Head, married 28 Coal Hewer Welsh speaker
Phoebe Lewis wife, married 31 Welsh speaker
Elizabeth Lewis daughter, single 7 Welsh speaker
Margaret Lewis daughter, single 2 Welsh speaker
Source Information:
Tanybont, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/14 Page 4

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


Phebe ANTHONY

1871 Census
Civil Parish of Llangendeirne Hamlet of Cilcarw
RG10/4592 Page 2
Rhydhowel Fach
Samuel ANTHONY Head M 29 Farmer of 35 acres Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Elizabeth ANTHONY Wife M 31 Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
David ANTHONY Son U 4 Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Thomas ANTHONY Son U 3 Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Pheby ANTHONY Daughter U 1 Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire

1881 Census
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Samuel ANTHONY Head M Male 39 Carmarthen, Wales Farm Labourer
Elizabeth ANTHONY Wife M Female 42 Carmarthen, Wales
David ANTHONY Son Male 14 Carmarthen, Wales Farm Labourer
Thomas ANTHONY Son Male 13 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Phebe ANTHONY Daur Female 11 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Mary ANTHONY Daur Female 6 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Margaret ANTHONY Daur Female 3 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Daniel ANTHONY Son Male 2 Carmarthen, Wales
Infant ANTHONY Daur Female 2 w Carmarthen, Wales
Source Information:
Cwmgwiddil, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/21 Page 4

1891 Census
Civil Parish of Llangendeirne Hamlet of Cilcarw
RG10/4592 Page 1 (36)
Rhydhowel Fawr
Pheobe ANTHONY Head U Female 45 Farmer Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Bilingual
David ANTHONY Nephew U Male 24 Farmer Serv Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Bilingual
Pheobe ANTHONY Niece U Female 21 General Serv (Dom in pencil) Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Bilingual
Margaret ANTHONY Niece U Female 13 General Serv (Dom in pencil) Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Bilingual

1901 census re: RG13/5110 Folio 28 Pg 2
Schedule 6 - Rhydlydan - 2 rooms
David Lewis Head, married 28 Coal Hewer Welsh speaker
Phoebe Lewis wife, married 31 Welsh speaker
Elizabeth Lewis daughter, single 7 Welsh speaker
Margaret Lewis daughter, single 2 Welsh speaker

1871 Rhydhowell Fach Llangendeirne aged 1

1881 Cwmgwiddil Llangendeirne scholar aged 11

1891 Rhydhowell Fawr Llangendeirne General Servant aged 21 - living with her aunt Pheobe ANTHONY

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


John LEWIS

Buried 13.12.1898 at Llangendeirne Parish Church

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


Evan James LEWIS

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


Annie LEWIS

KF notes When discussing Auntie Annie with Maggie (F). I had thought that she was my great Aunt. Maggie e-mailed the following details.
Great Aunty Annie came down from Crwbin for my mothers funeral and she is not your Great Aunt she was just your Aunt Annie. She was your fathers step sister. Grandma Elizabeth had her before they were married. She was small when our grandparents got married and she took on the Frater name with that marriage. Who her father was I do not know. In them days things like this was hushed up. My mother told us this several times when I was young. My father also said this at my mothers funeral.

Spoke to brother Clive and believe that Maggie & have got Great Auntie Annie mixed up with Eirwen who is DC Frater's half-sister. Annie is shown as the daughter of David (Dafydd) LEWIS and Phebe ANTHONY


Annie LEWIS

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


Margaret LEWIS

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater


Oliver Frederick FRATER

Buried 27.12.1987 at Llandyry Church Trimsaran

Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater