Descendants of Thomas Short b abt 1776

Notes


Richard George BIGGS

Jestyn's Brother who married wife's sister
Married 24/5/1914. Lived at 100 Gwendolin St., Treherbert. married at
30.

He was an Engine Driver like his father.

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker


Florence Ellen CARPENTER

Born Carpenter
Sister of Mary Millicent who married Husband's brother
married on 24/5/1914 at age of 30.

1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 34
94 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter, Head, 44, Photographer’s Agent, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Jane Carpenter, Wife, 39, Scotland - Kinross, English speaker
George E Carpenter, Son, 21, Stoker coalminer, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter, Daughter, 16, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter, Son, 13, Messenger port, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Florence Carpenter, Daughter, 8, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter, Daughter, 3, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Herbert (Hubert?) Vranch, nephew, 22, coalminer, Somerset - Radstock, English speaker

1901 census
RG13/5012 Fo: 81 Pg 19
100 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter Head Married 53 Commision Agent East Harptree, Somerset, English speaker
Jane Carpenter wife Married 49 Dundee, Scotland, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter Son single 24 Blacksmith's Striker Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Florence H (should be E) Carpenter Daughter single 18 Dressmaker's apprentice Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter Daughter single 13 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker


Doris Margaret COHEN

Details from David (Preston)


Francis CARPENTER

from Midsommer Norton (N. Somerset) near Radstock (coal minor). Traded
as a Butcher in the Rhondda. Believed to have moved to this address in
1895.

FC's birthday comes from Florence Ellen Carpenters birthday book.

New 1851 census data as 1891 census details show Francis born in East Harptree
42 Coley Hamley this should say Hamlet CARPENTER Charles 40 Ag. Lab Axbridge, Som. Mary 37 East Harptree, Som John 14 Errand Boy East Harptree, Som Sarah 11 Scholar East Harptree, Som Eliza 6 Scholar East Harptree, Som Francis 4 Scholar East Harptree, Som Maria 1 East Harptree, Som

The 1851 Census - Chilcompton Parish - Res: Norton Down - Piece 1939 - Folio 307 - Page 32 - Sch 117

William Carpenter Head M 51 Farm Labourer Chilcompton
Ann Carpenter Wife M 40 Wife Leigh on Mendip
James Carpenter Son U 21 Farm Labourer MSN
John Carpenter Son U 18 Farm Labourer MSN
Emma Carpenter Daur 15 at home MSN
Louisa Carpenter Daur 7 Scholar Stratton on the Fosse
Francis Carpenter Son 4 Scholar Stratton on the Fosse

The 1861 Census - M Norton Parish - 4 - Res: Grocer's Shop - Piece 1680 - Folio 51 - Page 9 - Sch 31

William Carpenter Head M 22 Grocer and Draper Clapton
Eliza Carpenter Wife M 21 Bruton
Francis Carpenter Brother U 16 General Assistant Chewton

In 1875 Francis is listed in Warrals Directory of South Wales as a Butcher in Treherbert as is George GALLOWAY. Did he work with George? Did George try to take his son-in-law into his business or is this how he met Jane? He obviously didn't last as this is his only known entry into the local business directories.

The 1881 Census - Ystradyfodwg Parish, Glam - Res: 72 Gwendoline St - Piece 5300 - Folio 110 - Pg 49
Dwelling: 72 Gwendoline St
Census Place: Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342275 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5300 Folio
110 Page 49

Francis Carpenter Head M 34 Collier Somerset, England
Jane Carpenter Wife M 29 Scotland
George Earnest Carpenter Son 11 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter Daur 6 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Charles Leo Carpenter Son 3 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Albert Joseph Carpenter Son 1 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Jessie Carpenter Boarder U 22 Collier Somerset, England (now known to be nephew)

1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 34
94 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter, Head, 44, Photographer’s Agent, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Jane Carpenter, Wife, 39, Scotland - Kinross, English speaker
George E Carpenter, Son, 21, Stoker coalminer, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter, Daughter, 16, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter, Son, 13, Messenger port, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Florence Carpenter, Daughter, 8, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter, Daughter, 3, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Herbert (Hubert?) Vranch, nephew, 22, coalminer, Somerset - Radstock, English speaker

1901 census
RG13/5012 Fo: 81 Pg 19
100 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter Head Married 53 Commision Agent East Harptree, Somerset, English speaker
Jane Carpenter wife Married 49 Dundee, Scotland, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter Son single 24 Blacksmith's Striker Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Florence H (should be E) Carpenter Daughter single 18 Dressmaker's apprentice Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter Daughter single 13 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker

Charles & Mary Carpenter baptised the following children at East Harptree according to the I.G.I. (I do not have any records for East Harptree Parish).
Sarah 15 Sep 1839
Frederick 28 Aug 1842 Eliza 29 Sep 1844
Francis 14 Feb 1846
Martha baptised 17 Mar 1849


Jane GALLOWAY

On the Galloway side I have incorporated the birth dates of all George Galloway's children. These were discovered by Norman Carpenter in the Galloway Family Bible which I believe he saw at Ronald Galloway's house, 74 Miskin Street, Treherbert when he visited there on 21 July 1966.
All the Scottish Galloways were born at Hatton Burn Farm and all christened at Balgedie Presbyterian Church.

4064 1861 CENSUS OF MIDDLE HAMLET. REF.R.G.9/4064, E.D.7.
Piece: 4064 Folio: 002 Schedule: 034
Address: CWMSAERBREN
GALLAWAY GEORGE HD M 41 FARM BAILIFF SCT - (c1820)
GALLAWAY ELIZABETH WI M 31 - SCT - (c1830)
GALLAWAY ARCHIBALD SO U 15 COAL MINER SCT - (c1846)
GALLAWAY GEORGE SO U 13 AG LAB SCT - (c1848)
GALLAWAY JOHN SO U 11 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1850)
GALLAWAY AGNES DA U 9 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1852)
GALLAWAY JANE DA U 7 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1854)
GALLAWAY RACHAEL DA U 5 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1856)

The 1881 Census - Ystradyfodwg Parish, Glam - Res: 72 Gwendoline St - Piece 5300 - Folio 110 - Pg 49

Francis Carpenter Head M 34 Collier Somerset, England
Jane Carpenter Wife M 29 Scotland
George Earnest Carpenter Son 11 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter Daur 6 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Charles Leo Carpenter Son 3 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Albert Joseph Carpenter Son 1 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Jessie Carpenter Boarder U 22 Collier Somerset, England (now known to be nephew)

1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 34
94 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter, Head, 44, Photographer’s Agent, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Jane Carpenter, Wife, 39, Scotland - Kinross, English speaker
George E Carpenter, Son, 21, Stoker coalminer, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter, Daughter, 16, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter, Son, 13, Messenger port, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Florence Carpenter, Daughter, 8, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter, Daughter, 3, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Herbert (Hubert?) Vranch, nephew, 22, coalminer, Somerset - Radstock, English speaker

1901 census
RG13/5012 Fo: 81 Pg 19
100 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter Head Married 53 Commision Agent East Harptree, Somerset, English speaker
Jane Carpenter wife Married 49 Dundee, Scotland, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter Son single 24 Blacksmith's Striker Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Florence H (should be E) Carpenter Daughter single 18 Dressmaker's apprentice Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter Daughter single 13 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker

KF revised the birth year to 1854 based on her age on interment and e-mail to/from Robyn Tester (16.11.2002)
RT believes the birth date is between 21.6.1853 and 20.6.1854. If this is correct and KF's Grandmother's birthday book of dates is correct (giving Jane's birthday as 27 Oct) then she would have been born on 27 Oct 1853.


Vera CARPENTER

Died as a baby (believed to be 6 months old)

email from John Bridgeman gives the year as 1880


Richard Ambrey BIGGS

Copy of Birth certificate obtained. (CM415659) from Stroud Register Office 10 July 2002
Registration District - Stroud 1848 Sub-district of Bisley in the County of Gloucester.

Entry 114 Born 28 Feb 1848 in Bisley. Name Richard Ambrey. Father Richard. Mother Mary (nee Townsend), father's occupation Policeman. Mary Biggs signed the original document with a mark on 20 March 1848. Registrar W E Driver.

known to be engine driver. (from Clive)

Dwelling: No 16 Zinc St Census Place: Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342271 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5285 Folio 72 Page 51
Richard BIGGS M 32 M Bisley, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Engine Driver Margaret BIGGS M 24 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Gwendoline BIGGS 5 F Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Edgar BIGGS 3 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Justin BIGGS 2 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Henry BIGGS 1 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son
Letitia BARTLETT U 17 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Visitor Occ: Dressmaker Lewis MORGAN U 21 M Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Railway Engine Fireman Auther HINDER U 22 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Railway Engine Fireman
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Known to work out of Neath. Lived there for some time.

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker


Margaret Ann BARTLETT

1861 Glamorgan census
4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET JOHN HD M 32 GARDENER GLS PRESTBURY 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET ELIZABETH WI M 29 - GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET MARY ANN DA U 6 SCHOLAR GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET MARY E. DA U 4 SCHOLAR GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET HANNAH S. DA U 7M - GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET MARY A. VR U 20 - GLS PRESTBURY 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET HANNAH S. VR U 17 - GLS PRESTBURY

Wales in 1881 Census. Dwelling: No 16 Zinc St Census Place: Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342271 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5285 Folio 72 Page 51
Richard BIGGS M 32 M Bisley, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Engine Driver Margaret BIGGS M 24 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Gwendoline BIGGS 5 F Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Edgar BIGGS 3 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Justin BIGGS 2 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Henry BIGGS 1 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son
Letitia BARTLETT U 17 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Visitor Occ: Dressmaker Lewis MORGAN U 21 M Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Railway Engine Fireman Auther HINDER U 22 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Railway Engine Fireman

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker

Extracted from the Parish Register Indexes for St. Thomas - Neath as published by the GFHS.
Margaret Ann BARTLETT Dau of John ( a Gardener ) and Elizabeth baptised 22/10/1854 Other children of the same parents:
Hannah Sophia (20/4/1863);
Letucia Jane (20/4/1863);
Mary Elizabeth (20/4/1863); Alice ( 3/7/1876);
Gertrude ( 7/2/1871);
Iestin Hopkin ( 13/4/1868); Louisa ( 15/4/1867); The family is shown as being of Neath in most cases but for the baptism of Alice an address of 8 Henry St. is given. The burial indexes give a John as being buried 24/9/1880 aged 56 but there is no Elizabeth shown. After about 1850 there were no "new" graves opened in Neath Churchyard and although burials may be shown in the Neath- St. Thomas P R the actual burial place may be in Llantwit Churchyard.


Gwenllian or Gwendoline BIGGS

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
believed she died in infancy

There is a Gwenllian Biggs buried in Treorchy living at 6 St Albans Street in 1954. The family home of Edgar Ambrey Biggs. Birth is circa 1976. Gwendoline Biggs and Gwenllian may be the same person. Need a search of 1891 to locate. Interment doc says she is buried with Gwladys (this would be sister)

Wales in 1881 Census. Dwelling: No 16 Zinc St Census Place: Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342271 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5285 Folio 72 Page 51
Richard BIGGS M 32 M Bisley, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Engine Driver Margaret BIGGS M 24 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Gwendoline BIGGS 5 F Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Edgar BIGGS 3 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Justin BIGGS 2 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Henry BIGGS 1 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son
Letitia BARTLETT U 17 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Visitor Occ: Dressmaker Lewis MORGAN U 21 M Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Railway Engine Fireman Auther HINDER U 22 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Railway Engine Fireman

1901 Census RG13/5057 Fo:26 Pg 44 schedule 253
dwelling 2 Edward Street, Neath
Arthur F Trew (TRE something) Head married 34 Railway Signal Fitter Dorchester, Dorset, English Speaker
Clara E Trew Wife married 36 South Cerney Gloucester, English Speaker
Reginald A Trew Son single 4 Reading, Berks, English Speaker
Bertha V Trew Daughter single 1month Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gwenllian Biggs Helper single 24 Domicile Helper Cardiff, Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker


Alice BIGGS

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
unmarried - buried in Treorchy Cemetry

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker


Ivor BIGGS

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
worked for the Railways in Sierra Leone - died there

spoke to Lexie 5.6.2002
Ivor remained a Bachelor all his life. Got on well in railways. other families related to Biggs (from Swindon) were quite "senior" in the railways which helped him get jobs. He was sent to places like Sierra Leone. He saved his money and when he came back home (to the Rhondda) he was generous to the family children. He brought home African nick-nacks. The location of these items are now unknown.

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker


Oswald BIGGS

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
bachelor buried in Treorchy Cemetry

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker


Gwladys BIGGS

1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker


Winnie BIGGS

Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
unmarried - buried in Treorchy Cemetry


George GALLOWAY

About 1854 Brought wife and family by sea to Cardiff from Glasgow on their way
to Cwmsaerbren and Tylacoch Farm. Agnes Barclay (wife) died a few years after reaching
the Rhondda. Traded as a Butcher in the Rhondda. Known to be at this
address in 1905.
Was a Butcher in Wales

George is listed inthe following Business Directories as a Butcher
1875 Warralls Directory of South Wales - George GALLOWAY, Treherbert (as is his son-in-law Francis)
1876 Mercer & Crocker's - George GALLOWAY, butcher, Tynewydd, Treherbert
1878 W E Owen & Co - George GALLOWAY, butcher, Tynewydd, Treherbert
1994 Kelly's - George GALLOWAY, butcher, 16 Dunraven Street

CENSUS DETAILS

1841 Census Place Easter Balgedie
Name Sex Age Occupation Born in County Page
George Galloway M 25 Agricultural Labourer Yes 11
Agnes Galloway F 25 No 11
Stewart Galloway M 2 Yes 11
Keith Galloway M? 1 Yes 11
Janet Galloway F 3 months Yes 11

1851 Census Orwell
George Galloway Head Married 35 Ag Lab Kinross Portmoak
Agnes Galloway Wife Married 37 Perthshire, Abernathy
Janet Galloway Daur U 10 Scholar Kinross, Portmoak
Helen Galloway Daur U 8 Scholar Kinross, Portmoak
Mary Galloway Daur U 7 Scholar Kinross, Portmoak
Archibald Galloway Son U 5 Scholar Kinross, Orwell
George Galloway Son U 3 Scholar Kinross, Orwell
John Galloway Son U 2 Scholar Kinross, Orwell
Agnes Galloway Daur U 1MTH Kinross, Orwell

4064 1861 CENSUS OF MIDDLE HAMLET. REF.R.G.9/4064, E.D.7.
Piece: 4064 Folio: 002 Schedule: 034
Address: CWMSAERBREN
GALLAWAY GEORGE HD M 41 FARM BAILIFF SCT - (c1820)
GALLAWAY ELIZABETH WI M 31 - SCT - (c1830)
GALLAWAY ARCHIBALD SO U 15 COAL MINER SCT - (c1846)
GALLAWAY GEORGE SO U 13 AG LAB SCT - (c1848)
GALLAWAY JOHN SO U 11 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1850)
GALLAWAY AGNES DA U 9 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1852)
GALLAWAY JANE DA U 7 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1854)
GALLAWAY RACHAEL DA U 5 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1856)

1881 Census
Dwelling: 16 Butcher Shop Dunraven Street Census Place: Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342275 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5300 Folio 87 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George GALLOWAY M 70 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Butcher Elizabeth GALLOWAY M 50 F Scotland Rel: Wife Stuart GALLOWAY U 16 M Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Collier Margaret GALLOWAY 14 F Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Ellen GALLOWAY 11 F Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Francis GALLOWAY 8 M Glamorgan, Wales

1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 38
16 Dunraven Street
George Galloway, Head, 77, Retired Butcher, Scotland, English speaker
Elizabeth Galloway, Wife, 53, Scotland, English speaker
Frank Galloway, Son, 18, Collier, Glamorgan - Ystradyfodwg, English speaker

In 1861, Cwmsaerbren was separated from the ten households at Tyla Coch by just four households, one at Ynyswen and three at Nanteris. Emailed from request to lookup details of Tylacoch Farm where George was believed to be Bailiff
"You mention that George GALLOWAY was at Tyla Coch in 1854. That year Ann MORGAN owned Tylacoch Farm."

The birthdate and parentage of George is based on data provided by Linda. This is from her research and copies of the 1841 & 1851 census data. The 1851 census data is of "Orwell" whilst the 1841 data is from the Parish of Portmoak

The St John the Baptist register of marriage shows George Galloway married on 14.1.1861 to Elizabeth Gordon had a father "Stewart" and a widower. Elizabeth is shown as a Widow and was living in Scotland at the time of the marriage. So George was still in contact in Scotland and both George & Elizabeth signed the marriage certificate, so we can presume he could read and write and may have "sent" for another wife. Since this happened with two of his own daughters (Agnes going to Australia to replace Rachel upon her death) Elizabeth may have been related to Agnes - It is possible.

Evon Williams (Australia) lists his birth place as Markinch, Fife, Scotland with a birth date of 13 June 1813. Robyn Tester (Australia) believes it to be 13 June 1813 (baptism) and 26.5.1813 (birth) at Portmoak.

FreeBMD has George death in Qtr Jun 1891
District Pontypridd Vol 11a pg 345


Agnes BARCLAY

From Treorchy Library
Agnes is buried in Ystradyfiodwg Parish Church no headstone also her dau Elizabeth who has 2 Mi's mentioned you'll also get a map of the graveyard there

died age 46 years accoring to records.

Details of Death certificate from Robyn Tester.
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-district: Aberdare in the Counties of Glamorgan and Brecon
1. When and where died: Thirteenth March 1859 Cwmsaebren Ystradfodwg
2.Name: Agnes Barcky(or Barcley) Galloway
3.Sex: Female
4.Age: 46years
5.Occupation: Wife of George Galloway, Farm Bailif
6.Cause of Death: Cancer......Certified
7.Signature, description and residence of informant: George Galloway. Present at the death. Cwmsaebren, Ystradyfodwg
8.When registered: Fourteenth March 1859
9.Signature of registrar: Morgan Williams

Parish Church of Ystradyfodwg is St John the Baptist, Ton Pentre. I have been told that a plaque exists inside the Church dedicated to Agnes. I have not yet seen it.

1841
Place Name Sex Age Occupation Born in County Page
Easter Balgedie George Galloway M 25 Agricultural Labourer Yes 11
Agnes Galloway F 25 No 11
Stewart Galloway M 2 Yes 11
Keith Galloway M? 1 Yes 11
Janet Galloway F 3 months Yes 11


Stewart GALLOWAY

On the Galloway side I have incorporated the birth dates of all George Galloway's children. These were discovered by Norman Carpenter in the Galloway Family Bible which I believe he saw at Ronald Galloway's house, 74 Miskin Street, Treherbert when he visited there on 21 July 1966.
All the Scottish Galloways were born at Hatton Burn Farm and all christened at Balgedie Presbyterian Church.

He is shown in the 1841 census data of Portmoak (age 2) but not in the 1851 census of Orwell. At the age of 12 he may be working away elsewhere or he could have died.


Keith GALLOWAY

On the Galloway side I have incorporated the birth dates of all George Galloway's children. These were discovered by Norman Carpenter in the Galloway Family Bible which I believe he saw at Ronald Galloway's house, 74 Miskin Street, Treherbert when he visited there on 21 July 1966.
All the Scottish Galloways were born at Hatton Burn Farm and all christened at Balgedie Presbyterian Church.

He is shown in the 1841 census data of Portmoak (age 1) but not in the 1851 census of Orwell. At the age of 11 he may be working away elsewhere or he could have died.


Janet GALLOWAY

On the Galloway side I have incorporated the birth dates of all George Galloway's children. These were discovered by Norman Carpenter in the Galloway Family Bible which I believe he saw at Ronald Galloway's house, 74 Miskin Street, Treherbert when he visited there on 21 July 1966.
All the Scottish Galloways were born at Hatton Burn Farm and all christened at Balgedie Presbyterian Church.

He is shown in the 1841 census data of Portmoak (3 months) and in the 1851 census of Orwell (age 10). She is not believed to have travelled to Wales with the family. Could she have gone into service? or died. There is a Janet on the 1861 census of Kinneswood (age 16) with a Stewart Galloway (age 60). I do not know if they are Grandfather/Grand-daughter. If so they could be linked to George & Agnes.