Linked to John Carpenter as he was in Wales at 1905 and Phil Clements thinks he was son of John and not brother of Francis.
Known to be at this address in 1905.Was a border during 1881 census with Francis. Given age is 22. (KF Presumed he is brother no known to be nephew)
for 1881 census details see Francis Carpenter
Jessie CARPENTER U 22 M Somerset, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: CollierKF thinks this Jesse is son of John C who lived at 140 Ynyswen Road and died in 1923. This is in conflict with father John's details as Phil Clements has him dying in Midsomer Norton & KF has him dying in Treorchy Cemetery. KF has created two John's on PAF file. One dying 3.11.1923 other is the one shown in this link. They may be one & the same person.
FreeBMD has Jesse & Margaret married Qtr Dec 1882
District Pontypridd Vol 11a Pg 5961861 census from Phil Clements
The 1861 Census - St John & St Benedict Parish, Glastonbury - Res: Chilkwell St - Piece 1667 - Folio 6 - Page 7 - Schedule 35
John Carpenter Head M 24 Plate Layer on Railway East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 26 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 2 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 3mos Glastonbury1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker
FreeBMD has Jesse & Margaret married Qtr Dec 1882
District Pontypridd Vol 11a Pg 5961891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker
1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker
Referenced in Treorchy Cemetery Interment document 48584 for Margaret Carpenter (nee Abraham). He signed the document. Presumed to be son.
1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker
1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker
details from "Marriages in Ystradyfodwg" index held at Treorchy Library
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
believed spouse was MayWales in 1881 Census. Dwelling: No 16 Zinc St Census Place: Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342271 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5285 Folio 72 Page 51
Richard BIGGS M 32 M Bisley, Gloucester, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Engine Driver Margaret BIGGS M 24 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Gwendoline BIGGS 5 F Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Daur Edgar BIGGS 3 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Justin BIGGS 2 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son Henry BIGGS 1 M Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Son
Letitia BARTLETT U 17 F Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Visitor Occ: Dressmaker Lewis MORGAN U 21 M Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Boarder Occ: Railway Engine Fireman Auther HINDER U 22 M Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Railway Engine Fireman1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
believed name was May
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
lived & died in Neath
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
lived & died in Neath
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
lived & died in Neath
Andover Gardens seems to be something like a Tenement block in Andover Road. All references in The Times have the address "X Andover Gardens, Andover Road". Believed to be bombed in the WWII they were still there in 1944 as The Times 5 Feb 1944 Pg 10 Iss 49772 col E has Nos. 9 & 10 Andover Gardens due for sale by Auction on Feb 24th.
Oliver is listed in the BlackSheep index. This is a reference
Palmer's Index to The Times 1878 Police --- Frater, Oliver, for Attempted Suicide 15 May 1878 (Page 14 col a)
At the MANSION-HOUSE, yesterday, OLIVER FRATER, a painter, residing at Holloway, was charged with attempting to commit suicide. Mr Edward Byron Shephard, jun., of 65 Great Tower-street, said that on Monday evening, about 6 o'clock, he saw the prisoner jump over the parapet of London-bridge on to the outer ledge. Two men came forward and prevented him going any further. Witness thought he had been drinking, but that he was not drunk and gave him in charge. The prisoner said he wished he had done it and walked quietly away with the constable. Replying to the Lord Mayor, the prisoner said he was intoxicated at the time and had been drinking all the day. He was now very sorry for what he had done. Police-constable Betts deposed that the prisoner was given into his custody by the previous witness, and said on the way to the police-station that he should have "done it" if he had not been prevented, and that the first chance he had he should avail himself of it, he not being able to provide for his wife and family. He was drunk. His wife was with him at the time. The wife, addressing the Lord Mayor, said she had three children and expected to be confined every hour. The prisoner was a painter, and was a very good husband, but he had been drinking since the previous Sunday. They had had no quarrel. He had been at work, but got drinking. Eventually, at the wife's solicitation, the Lord Mayor discharged the prisoner.1871 census
27 Blundell Street (one of 4 families)
RG10/267 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Folio: 45 Page: 16
Household schedule number: 78
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
Oliver Frater 19 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Head Islington St Andrew London Painter
Ellen Frater 19 Shamford Hill, Yorkshire, England Wife Islington St Andrew London
Ellen Frater 1 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington St Andrew London1881 Census
Dwelling: 94 Isledon Rd Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341056 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0259 Folio 15 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Oliver FRATER M 30 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Painter (House) Ellen FRATER M 28 F South Hornsey, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Ellen FRATER 11 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Dau William FRATER U 6 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son George FRATER U 4 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son James FRATER 3 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Oliver FRATER 3 m M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Sonbased on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
born 18511901 census RG13/167 Fo: 67 Pg 22 Schedule 125
Islington St. Marks 4 Andover Gardens
Oliver Frater Head married 49 House Painter b: North Islington, London
Ellen Frater wife married 49 b: North Islington, London
Oliver Frater son single 20 Bricklayer's labourer b: North Islington, London
Elizabeth Frater daughter single 18 b: North Islington, London
Robert Frater son single 14 b: North Islington, London
Frederick Frater son single 8 b: North Islington, London
Emily Frater daughter single 6 b: North Islington, LondonBirth certificate of Edward Frater son is shown as son of Oliver Frater & Ellen Frater, formerly BUTLER, Father's occupation: House Painter, signature was X the mark of Ellen Frater Mother, 9 Andover Gardens, Islington. Signed 23 December 1889, Registrar: C R Butcher
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
This is a temporary link to child
1871 census
27 Blundell Street (one of 4 families)
RG10/267 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Folio: 45 Page: 16
Household schedule number: 78
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
Oliver Frater 19 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Head Islington St Andrew London Painter
Ellen Frater 19 Shamford Hill, Yorkshire, England Wife Islington St Andrew London
Ellen Frater 1 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington St Andrew London1881 census
Dwelling: 94 Isledon Rd Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341056 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0259 Folio 15 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Oliver FRATER M 30 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Painter (House) Ellen FRATER M 28 F South Hornsey, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Ellen FRATER 11 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Dau William FRATER U 6 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son George FRATER U 4 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son James FRATER 3 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Oliver FRATER 3 m M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son1901 census RG13/167 Fo: 67 Pg 22 Schedule 125
Islington St. Marks 4 Andover Gardens
Oliver Frater Head married 49 House Painter b: North Islington, London
Ellen Frater wife married 49 b: North Islington, London
Oliver Frater son single 20 Bricklayer's labourer b: North Islington, London
Elizabeth Frater daughter single 18 b: North Islington, London
Robert Frater son single 14 b: North Islington, London
Frederick Frater son single 8 b: North Islington, London
Emily Frater daughter single 6 b: North Islington, LondonBirth certificate of Edward Frater son is shown as son of Oliver Frater & Ellen Frater, formerly BUTLER, Father's occupation: House Painter, signature was X the mark of Ellen Frater Mother, 9 Andover Gardens, Islington. Signed 23 December 1889, Registrar: C R Butcher
Andover Gardens seems to be something like a Tenement block in Andover Road. All references in The Times have the address "X Andover Gardens, Andover Road". Believed to be bombed in the WWII they were still there in 1944 as The Times 5 Feb 1944 Pg 10 Iss 49772 col E has Nos. 9 & 10 Andover Gardens due for sale by Auction on Feb 24th.
Entry from lookup
Frater William B 1874 Dec Islington 1b 243
Frater William Charles B 1873 March Pancras 1b 1681881 census
Dwelling: 94 Isledon Rd Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341056 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0259 Folio 15 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Oliver FRATER M 30 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Painter (House) Ellen FRATER M 28 F South Hornsey, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Ellen FRATER 11 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Dau William FRATER U 6 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son George FRATER U 4 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son James FRATER 3 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Oliver FRATER 3 m M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
1881 census
Dwelling: 94 Isledon Rd Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341056 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0259 Folio 15 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Oliver FRATER M 30 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Painter (House) Ellen FRATER M 28 F South Hornsey, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Ellen FRATER 11 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Dau William FRATER U 6 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son George FRATER U 4 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son James FRATER 3 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Oliver FRATER 3 m M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: SonBirth Register Index details
Frater George B 1876 Sept Islington ? ?
Other Birth entries in the area are:
Frater Oliver B 1873 Sept Islington 1b 234
Frater Oliver Reginald B 1904 March Islington 1b 2241881 census shows an Oliver at 3m in house. But the Registerof Births index has NO Oliver in Islington at this time but there is one in Holborn. This is most likely the Oliver. Why Holborn?
Frater Oliver B 1881 March Holborn 1b 8151881 census
Dwelling: 94 Isledon Rd Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341056 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0259 Folio 15 Page 24 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Oliver FRATER M 30 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Painter (House) Ellen FRATER M 28 F South Hornsey, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Ellen FRATER 11 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Dau William FRATER U 6 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son George FRATER U 4 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son James FRATER 3 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Oliver FRATER 3 m M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son1901 census RG13/167 Fo: 67 Pg 22 Schedule 125
Islington St. Marks 4 Andover Gardens
Oliver Frater Head married 49 House Painter b: North Islington, London
Ellen Frater wife married 49 b: North Islington, London
Oliver Frater son single 20 Bricklayer's labourer b: North Islington, London
Elizabeth Frater daughter single 18 b: North Islington, London
Robert Frater son single 14 b: North Islington, London
Frederick Frater son single 8 b: North Islington, London
Emily Frater daughter single 6 b: North Islington, London
BMD Entry
Frater Elizabeth Eliza D B 1882 Dec Islington 1b 439Andover Gardens seems to be something like a Tenement block in Andover Road. All references in The Times have the address "X Andover Gardens, Andover Road". Believed to be bombed in the WWII they were still there in 1944 as The Times 5 Feb 1944 Pg 10 Iss 49772 col E has Nos. 9 & 10 Andover Gardens due for sale by Auction on Feb 24th.
1901 census RG13/167 Fo: 67 Pg 22 Schedule 125
Islington St. Marks 4 Andover Gardens
Oliver Frater Head married 49 House Painter b: North Islington, London
Ellen Frater wife married 49 b: North Islington, London
Oliver Frater son single 20 Bricklayer's labourer b: North Islington, London
Elizabeth Frater daughter single 18 b: North Islington, London
Robert Frater son single 14 b: North Islington, London
Frederick Frater son single 8 b: North Islington, London
Emily Frater daughter single 6 b: North Islington, London
Pancras born FRATER. Same name as child of Edward FRATER. It is known that Edward named some of his children after siblings and so is possible.
Andover Gardens seems to be something like a Tenement block in Andover Road. All references in The Times have the address "X Andover Gardens, Andover Road". Believed to be bombed in the WWII they were still there in 1944 as The Times 5 Feb 1944 Pg 10 Iss 49772 col E has Nos. 9 & 10 Andover Gardens due for sale by Auction on Feb 24th.
Robert is shown on the census but no Robert is found on the BMD Index for 1887. Could this be a mistake by the enumberator and is Edward?
1901 census RG13/167 Fo: 67 Pg 22 Schedule 125
Islington St. Marks 4 Andover Gardens
Oliver Frater Head married 49 House Painter b: North Islington, London
Ellen Frater wife married 49 b: North Islington, London
Oliver Frater son single 20 Bricklayer's labourer b: North Islington, London
Elizabeth Frater daughter single 18 b: North Islington, London
Robert Frater son single 14 b: North Islington, London
Frederick Frater son single 8 b: North Islington, London
Emily Frater daughter single 6 b: North Islington, London
Andover Gardens seems to be something like a Tenement block in Andover Road. All references in The Times have the address "X Andover Gardens, Andover Road". Believed to be bombed in the WWII they were still there in 1944 as The Times 5 Feb 1944 Pg 10 Iss 49772 col E has Nos. 9 & 10 Andover Gardens due for sale by Auction on Feb 24th.
1901 census RG13/167 Fo: 67 Pg 22 Schedule 125
Islington St. Marks 4 Andover Gardens
Oliver Frater Head married 49 House Painter b: North Islington, London
Ellen Frater wife married 49 b: North Islington, London
Oliver Frater son single 20 Bricklayer's labourer b: North Islington, London
Elizabeth Frater daughter single 18 b: North Islington, London
Robert Frater son single 14 b: North Islington, London
Frederick Frater son single 8 b: North Islington, London
Emily Frater daughter single 6 b: North Islington, LondonBirths Register Index reference
Frater Frederick B 1893 March Islington 1b 197From Karren Warren email 6/10.203
Private Fred Frater, S.R.6821, 4th Middlesex, 8th Brigade, 3rd Division. He disembarked in France on 3/12/1914. His number suggests that he was in a reinforcement draft. He would probably have been stationed in the Kemmel sector, at Locre on the 4th January 1915, and in the trenches around Vierstraat on the 5th. They were rested when out of the line at Scerpenberg, Locre and LaClyette. On the day that Fred was killed, there were three other casualties, two ommemorated on the Menin Gate, and one buried at La Laiterie M.C. Kemmel.Fred's number indicates that he was a member of the Special Reserve, (formerly The Militia.) He would have received six months training, but remain in civilian life on part pay, liable for recall in time of War.
from CWG website:
Name: FRATER, FREDERICK
Initials: F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private Regiment: Middlesex Regiment Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Date of Death: 17/01/1915
Service No: SR/6821
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 49 and 51 Cemetery: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIALCemetery: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Country: Belgium
Locality: Ieper, West-Vlaanderen
Visiting Information: The Panel Numbers quoted at the end of each entry relate to the panels dedicated to the Regiment served with. In some instances where a casualty is recorded as attached to another Regiment, his name may alternatively appear within their Regimental Panels. Please refer to the on-site Memorial Register Introduction to determine the alternative panel numbers if you do not find the name within the quoted Panels. The design of this site makes access to certain parts of the memorial impossible by wheelchair. For further information regarding wheelchair access, please contact our Enquiries Section on telephone number 01628 507200.
Location Information: Ypres (now Ieper) is a town in the Province of West Flanders. The Memorial is situated at the eastern side of the town on the road to Menin (Menen) and Courtrai (Kortrijk). Each night at 8 pm the traffic is stopped at the Menin Gate while members of the local Fire Brigade sound the Last Post in the roadway under the Memorial's arches.
Historical Information: The Menin Gate is one of four memorials to the missing in Belgian Flanders which cover the area known as the Ypres Salient. Broadly speaking, the Salient stretched from Langemarck in the north to the northern edge in Ploegsteert Wood in the south, but it varied in area and shape throughout the war. The Salient was formed during the First Battle of Ypres in October and November 1914, when a small British Expeditionary Force succeeded in securing the town before the onset of winter, pushing the German forces back to the Passchendaele Ridge. The Second Battle of Ypres began in April 1915 when the Germans released poison gas into the Allied lines north of Ypres. This was the first time gas had been used by either side and the violence of the attack forced an Allied withdrawal and a shortening of the line of defence. There was little more significant activity on this front until 1917, when in the Third Battle of Ypres an offensive was mounted by Commonwealth forces to divert German attention from a weakened French front further south. The initial attempt in June to dislodge the Germans from the Messines Ridge was a complete success, but the main assault north-eastward, which began at the end of July, quickly became a dogged struggle against determined opposition and the rapidly deteriorating weather. The campaign finally came to a close in November with the capture of Passchendaele. The German offensive of March 1918 met with some initial success, but was eventually checked and repulsed in a combined effort by the Allies in September. The battles of the Ypres Salient claimed many lives on both sides and it quickly became clear that the commemoration of members of the Commonwealth forces with no known grave would have to be divided between several different sites. The site of the Menin Gate was chosen because of the hundreds of thousands of men who passed through it on their way to the battlefields. It commemorates those of all Commonwealth nations (except New Zealand) who died in the Salient, in the case of United Kingdom casualties before 16 August 1917. Those United Kingdom and New Zealand servicemen who died after that date are named on the memorial at Tyne Cot, a site which marks the furthest point reached by Commonwealth forces in Belgium until nearly the end of the war. Other New Zealand casualties are commemorated on memorials at Buttes New British Cemetery and Messines Ridge British Cemetery. The YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL now bears the names of more than 54,000 officers and men whose graves are not known. The memorial, designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield with sculpture by Sir William Reid-Dick, was unveiled by Lord Plumer in July 1927.
No. of Identified Casualties: 54332
email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living
in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer LanarkshireThe link of James b1819 to James son of James b Polmont d. 1855 Glasgow was provided by Edward Charles research. This may have come from family stories or family documents that he had. Edward C would certainly have been able to get stories from his Grandfather William (James's son) as he lived until 1938. William may have talked about James (his father)'s family in Scotland. This is certainly feasible.
James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington
Folio:49 Page: 19 Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints LondonIs this the right James from 1881 Census
Dwelling: 6 Charlotte Terrace Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341050 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0231 Folio 79 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James FRATER M 61 F Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Printer Compositor
Eliza D. FRATER U 25 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Machinist
Arthur FRATER U 21 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Chair & Sofa Wood Carverbased on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
occ: compositor born in 1819 not 1820Date taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
on marriage at 20 July 1845 he was compositor28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This shows him married on 20 July 1845 in ST. Paul's Middlesex. He is shown as being a compositor.
Believed to have found a link in Knightsbridge. Contacted Mike WELCH to discuss possible link. Both his Welch and Titchiner families were in the printing business as was James FRATER. The locale and dates match and so there is a possibility. Mike suggests that there is a possibility that Sarah Ann is the daughter of John Welch. KF has contacted St Paul's, Wilton Place to see where the Parish Records are kept to check the records. Am awaiting a reply.
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
surname Welch place of birth Knightsbridge and year of birth 182728 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This is the source for Leicester.on the 1871 Census this was found
(why was she not living with James (husband)
12 Drummond Crescent, St Pancras
Mary Richardson Head ? 50 Laundress Middlesex, St Pancras
Sarah Frater Wife Married 41 Seamstress Middlesex, Kensington
Eliza Frater Daughter Unmarried 16 Seamstres Middlesex, IslingtonWhy was she living with a Mary Richardson? Mary is found in 1881 living with her brother and showing as unmarried. Where is Sarah at this point. in 1881 Eliza is living with her father in Charlotte Terrace. Is Sarah working in another Household in 1881 but the family surname is mis-translated? or is the entry below correct?
Possible birth from IGI. Only one with father John:
Sarah Ann WELCH b: 31 Aug 1826 c: 24 Sept 1826 St James, Westminster, London to John WELCH and Sarah
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
born 185028 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 49 Page: 19
Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints London1881 census
Possible entry for Frederick (cannot find any other entry). Year of birth matches and occupation is in the Printing trade. James (Father) was a Printer Compositer. This makes it a sensible choice for mispelling.16 Euston St London, Middlesex, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0198 / 107 Page Number 29
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frederick FRASER Head M Male 31 London, London, Middlesex, England Lithographer
Martha FRASER Wife M Female 27 London, London, Middlesex, EnglandAnother possibility is
112 Gloucester Road London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341040
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0183 / 118 Page Number 5
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frederick FRASER Head M Male 33 Camberwell, Surrey, England Piano Forte Maker
Emily FRASER Wife M Female 30 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Emily FRASER Daur Female 4 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Frederick FRASER Son Male 2 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Louisa FRASER Daur Female 1 St Pancras, Middlesex, EnglandAnd anorther possibility (picked because in 1871 he is shown as a Cabinet Maker. So he may have changed to a French Polisher.
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Margaret MULLIGAN Head W Female 58 Westminster, Middlesex, England Glass Mender
Frederick FRAZER Son U Male 28 Westminster, Middlesex, England French Polisher
George T. MULLIGAN Son U Male 18 St George Southwark, Surrey, England Railway Carman
John T. FRAZER Grandson Male 9 Lambeth, Surrey, England Scholar
William H. COLEMAN Brother U Male 13 Westminster, Middlesex, England Warehouseman
Nathaniel ODDY Lodger U Male 18 Brighton, Sussex, England Cook N D
Dwelling 290 Waterloo Rd, Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 0530/129 Page No 27
James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 49 Page: 19
Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints LondonMarriages Qtr Sep 1889
But which one (if either) did Harry marry?
FRATER Harry Joseph Holborn 1b 1204
HUMPHRIS William John Holborn 1b 1204
INSLEY Edith Holborn 1b 1204
PALMER Ann Elizabeth Holborn 1b 1204
married first wife at age of 26 at Llandyry Church on 11/9/1943 parish
of Pembrey
married Joyce at age of 33 on 11/7/1950 at Registry Office, LlanelliHe was in the army during the war and was part of the forces that fought in St Malo in France during WWII. He was also one of the soldiers who were charged with escorting "aliens" on the Arandora Star. This ship was sunk on July 2nd 1940. It took place north- west of Malin Head when the one-time flag ship of the Blue Star Line, the Arandora Star, was torpedoed and sank, with the loss of 682 lives out of a total of 1,571 on board.
The ship was torpedoed by submarine U47 captained by Kapitaanleutnan Gunther Prien. This disaster affected my father far more than he was willing to say. I remember him talking about it only the once when he spoke of having to go around cutting the floating the buoys of dead soldiers and others so that the bodies would sink to a grave rather than be floating food for the fish. He had a dislike of the sea ever since. He spoke of the sadness of what they had to do in the rounding up of many people with links to Italy and Germany for no other reason than that. They were links. But during that time, in war, they had no way of knowing who may be sympathisers with the enemy and who were not. The regret was more because he knew Italain and and Italian descent people, and whilst he couldn't believe that they were anything but loyal to the country they lived in, he undestood the orders that were given. He also spoke of having to have "words" with some of the way they spoke to the "aliens." He was still a Sergeant at that time (one of many - as "bing one of the boys" he also kept being demoted!!) and so could comment to the soldiers of lower rank.
I believe that survivors were brought ashore in Scotland (possibly Greenock on the Clyde). Photos were taken which were then used in the press. My father used to boast that this was the one and only time he was on the front page of a national newspaper. My mother told me that the first the family knew about where my father was, was when they saw his picture in the newspaper. This paper was lost over the years and I have yet to locate a copy of it.Buried at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Born Biggs
second wife of David Charles Frater and sister of first wife
Dulcie. Technically step mother of Clive but brought him up from a baby.
Technically half brother of Kerry
married at age of 28 on 11/7/1950 to David Charles at Registry Office,
LlanelliBuried at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
married first wife at age of 26 at Llandyry Church on 11/9/1943 parish
of Pembrey
married Joyce at age of 33 on 11/7/1950 at Registry Office, LlanelliHe was in the army during the war and was part of the forces that fought in St Malo in France during WWII. He was also one of the soldiers who were charged with escorting "aliens" on the Arandora Star. This ship was sunk on July 2nd 1940. It took place north- west of Malin Head when the one-time flag ship of the Blue Star Line, the Arandora Star, was torpedoed and sank, with the loss of 682 lives out of a total of 1,571 on board.
The ship was torpedoed by submarine U47 captained by Kapitaanleutnan Gunther Prien. This disaster affected my father far more than he was willing to say. I remember him talking about it only the once when he spoke of having to go around cutting the floating the buoys of dead soldiers and others so that the bodies would sink to a grave rather than be floating food for the fish. He had a dislike of the sea ever since. He spoke of the sadness of what they had to do in the rounding up of many people with links to Italy and Germany for no other reason than that. They were links. But during that time, in war, they had no way of knowing who may be sympathisers with the enemy and who were not. The regret was more because he knew Italain and and Italian descent people, and whilst he couldn't believe that they were anything but loyal to the country they lived in, he undestood the orders that were given. He also spoke of having to have "words" with some of the way they spoke to the "aliens." He was still a Sergeant at that time (one of many - as "bing one of the boys" he also kept being demoted!!) and so could comment to the soldiers of lower rank.
I believe that survivors were brought ashore in Scotland (possibly Greenock on the Clyde). Photos were taken which were then used in the press. My father used to boast that this was the one and only time he was on the front page of a national newspaper. My mother told me that the first the family knew about where my father was, was when they saw his picture in the newspaper. This paper was lost over the years and I have yet to locate a copy of it.Buried at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Born Biggs
First Wife of David Charles Frater and mother of Clive.
married at age of 23 at Llandyry Church on 11/9/1943 (parish of Pembrey)
died age 68
The story of Edward Frater is that he is the son of Oliver Frater. The story passed to KF from his father DCF is that Edward was born in London of a Scottish Family. The family was split up when he was young and EF went "into care". The story from Edward Frater (the son of this Edward Frater) is that Edward was born in Scotland, came to London with his family when young. The parents died and Edward went into care..KF has been searching the England & Wales indexes along with the Scottish indexes for Edward Frater. The Scottish index was search +/- 10 years. Only one Edward was found born and has a correspondaning death certificate in the following year.
The English/Welsh indexes were searched +/- 2 years. One Edward was found in 1889. The estimated year of birth. He is born to Oliver Frater which matches. No record can be found of the family in the 1891 census and Edward doesn't show on the 1901 census with Oliver & Ellen. Was the family split up? Oliver was known to be poor having attempted to commit suicide in 1878 because he couldn't keep his family (nee Oliver's notes). There is now good certainty that Edward (father of David Charles) is the same Edward born from Oliver in Islington in 1889.
Search required to find out where he grew up?
Birth certificate of Edward Frater is shown as son of Oliver Frater & Ellen Frater, formerly BUTLER, Father's occupation: House Painter, signature was X the mark of Ellen Frater Mother, 9 Andover Gardens, Islington. Signed 23 December 1889, Registrar: C R Butcher
Andover Gardens seems to be something like a Tenement block in Andover Road. All references in The Times have the address "X Andover Gardens, Andover Road". Believed to be bombed in the WWII they were still there in 1944 as The Times 5 Feb 1944 Pg 10 Iss 49772 col E has Nos. 9 & 10 Andover Gardens due for sale by Auction on Feb 24th.
Births Register Index
Frater Edward B 1889 Dec Islington 1b 253Buried at Llandyry Church Trimaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
1901 census re: RG13/5110 Folio 28 Pg 2
Schedule 6 - Rhydlydan - 2 rooms
David Lewis Head, married 28 Coal Hewer Welsh speaker
Phoebe Lewis wife, married 31 Welsh speaker
Elizabeth Lewis daughter, single 7 Welsh speaker
Margaret Lewis daughter, single 2 Welsh speakerBuried at Llandyry Chuch Trimsaran - resided at 51 Garden Suburbs Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Fusilier 14200801 6th Bn., Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
died Monday, 29th November 1943 Age 20 during Second World War in Italian offensive
Cemetery: SANGRO RIVER WAR CEMETERY, Italy
Grave Reference: VIII. E. 12.
Location: The Sangro River War Cemetery lies in the Contrada Sentinelle in the Commune of Torino di Sangro, Province of Chieti. Take the autostrada A14 exit at Val di Sangro. At about 2.5 kilometres from the exit turn right onto the SS16, Pescara to Vasto road, for nearly 2 kilometres. There is then a sharp right turn up to cemetery. Within the cemetery will be found the Sangro River Cremation Memorial. This is one of three memorials erected in Italy to officers and men of the Indian Army who were cremated - the other two cremation memorials are in Forli Indian Army War Cemetery and Rimini Gurkha War Cemetery. Historical Information: The site of Sangro River War Cemetery was selected by the 5th Corps. Into it were concentrated the graves of men who lost their lives in the fierce fighting on the Adriatic sector of the front in November-December 1943, and during the subsequent static period there. The 8th Indian Division was on this sector during these months; the 4th Indian Division arrived in January 1944, and the 10th Indian Division in April 1944. There are therefore many muslim burials in the cemetery, in plots VI, VII, XIII and XVIII; and the cemetery contains one of the three cremation memorials in Italy (the others being in Forli Indian Army War Cemetery and in Rimini Gurkha War Cemetery). The New Zealand Division also suffered heavily in the fighting for and beyond the Sangro River, and many of their graves are here. The Canadians have their own cemetery not far off, at Moro River. Sangro River War Cemetery contains, besides the graves of those who died in battle or of wounds, those of quite a number of British prisoners of war who escaped and died either of exposure or otherwise while trying to reach the British lines. There are now 2,500, 1939-45 war casualties commemorated in this site. Of these, nearly 100 are unidentified.Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater