Buried 27.12.1987 at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Cannot find a BMD index reference. The closest is
Name District Vol Pg
Fraser John Chelsea III 621851 census
HO 107/1507 Pg 49
St George Bloomsbury Finsbury
Schedule 251
James Frater Head Mar 31 Printer Compositor Scotland
Sarah A Frater Wife Mar 23 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex
James J Frater Son - 4 - St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward Frater Son - 3 - Islington, Middlesex
Frederick Frater Son - 1 Islington, Middlesex1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex1871 census
RG10/211 Registration district:Pancras Sub-registration district:Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel:11 Folio:87 Page:91
Household schedule number:698
Little Pancras Street, All Saints, Kings Cross, ST PANCRAS [1862]
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
James Frater 24 Middlesex, England Head St Pancras London French Polisher
Adelaide Frater 22 Middlesex, England St Pancras London
Ada Frater 2 Middlesex, England St Pancras London1881 census entry
Dwelling: 26 Broad Street Census Place: St Giles In Fields, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341071 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0327 Folio 19 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FRATER M 34 M London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Adelaide FRATER M 31 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife
Ada FRATER 12 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Florence FRATER 8 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Thomas FRATER 4 M Reading Rel: SonDate taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
birth year is 184628 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This is source for Christine.
Adeleide Junett (Janett) FREETH
1871 census
RG10/211 Registration district:Pancras Sub-registration district:Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel:11 Folio:87 Page:91
Household schedule number:698
Little Pancras Street, All Saints, Kings Cross, ST PANCRAS [1862]
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
James Frater 24 Middlesex, England Head St Pancras London French Polisher
Adelaide Frater 22 Middlesex, England St Pancras London
Ada Frater 2 Middlesex, England St Pancras London1881 census entry
Dwelling: 26 Broad Street Census Place: St Giles In Fields, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341071 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0327 Folio 19 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FRATER M 34 M London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Adelaide FRATER M 31 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife
Ada FRATER 12 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Florence FRATER 8 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Thomas FRATER 4 M Reading Rel: Son
Frater Ada Elizabeth B 1869 March Islington 1b 237
1871 census
RG10/211 Registration district:Pancras Sub-registration district:Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel:11 Folio:87 Page:91
Household schedule number:698
Little Pancras Street, All Saints, Kings Cross, ST PANCRAS [1862]
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
James Frater 24 Middlesex, England Head St Pancras London French Polisher
Adelaide Frater 22 Middlesex, England St Pancras London
Ada Frater 2 Middlesex, England St Pancras London1881 census entry
Dwelling: 26 Broad Street Census Place: St Giles In Fields, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341071 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0327 Folio 19 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FRATER M 34 M London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Adelaide FRATER M 31 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife
Ada FRATER 12 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Florence FRATER 8 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Thomas FRATER 4 M Reading Rel: Son
James Britton (or Frederick) FRATER
Not sure if this person exists. In the IGI but not in the BMD index or 1881 Census. But then again, his father isn't in the index either.
There is a James Frederick born Q June 1870 in Holborn. This name makes better sense.
1881 census entry
Dwelling: 26 Broad Street Census Place: St Giles In Fields, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341071 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0327 Folio 19 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FRATER M 34 M London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Adelaide FRATER M 31 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife
Ada FRATER 12 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Florence FRATER 8 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Thomas FRATER 4 M Reading Rel: Son
1881 census entry
Dwelling: 26 Broad Street Census Place: St Giles In Fields, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341071 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0327 Folio 19 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James FRATER M 34 M London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Adelaide FRATER M 31 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife
Ada FRATER 12 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Florence FRATER 8 F London, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Thomas FRATER 4 M Reading Rel: Son
1851 census
HO 107/1507 Pg 49
St George Bloomsbury Finsbury
Schedule 251
James Frater Head Mar 31 Printer Compositor Scotland
Sarah A Frater Wife Mar 23 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex
James J Frater Son - 4 - St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward Frater Son - 3 - Islington, Middlesex
Frederick Frater Son - 1 Islington, Middlesex1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesexpresuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printerbased on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
b 184828 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
LDS 1881 census shows Edmund W as name. No Edmund is shown in this area within reasonable dates. There is an Edward William which matches. Presume Edmund is mis-transcribed.
Birth Index ref:
Frater Edward William B 1867 Dec Pancras 1b 10026 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Birth Index entry
Frater Annie Matilda B 1871 June Pancras 1b 12026 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
James taken from BMD Entry
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Births Register Details
Frater Frederick Charles B 1879 Sept Pancras 1b 121
Is he their son, Mary's son or is it an error
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Is he their daughter, Mary's daughter or is it an error
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Is he their son, Mary's son or is it an error
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
servantIs this Morris?
The Times
From The London Gazette April 22 1842 pg 4 Issue 17965 col D
Scotch Sequestrations
Morris FRATER , carrier, carrier, April 28, May 21, at 1o'clock, at the house of Daniel McGregor, Cumbernauld.This is of interest because a son of this Morris (also called Morris) married an Elizabeth McGregor daughter of Daniel McGregor. Both children of Cumbernauld.
Will of Morris provided by Sylvia Bradley 31.8.2004
SC65/34/32/26
Morris Frater Value of Estate £161, 2s, 9dMorris Frater Senior, Carrier, Main Street, Parish of Cumbernauld, who died 3rd of May 1888 at Main Street, aforesaid, testate, granted at Dumbarton, to Morris Frater, Junior, Carter, Main Street, aforesaid Executor nominated in Will or Deed dated 18th January 1888 and recorded in Court Books of Commissariat of Dumbarton.
Morris Frater left the following to his children;
1. Joseph Frater, Carter, Main Street, Cumbernauld, my son the sum of Sixty Pounds.
And secondly to each of;
2. Janet Frater or Hawkins my daughter, relict of Peter Hawkins, Melbourne, Australia.
3. Isabella Frater or Downie, also my daughter relict of Thomas Downie, New York, America.
4. Helen Frater or Cairns, also my daughter, wife of George Cairns, Joiner, Montreal, Canada.
5. Morris Frater, Joiner, Main Street, Tollcross, near Glasgow also my son.
The sum of Thirty Pounds each.1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 151851 scottish cesnsus
addresss: Main
Street, Cumbernauld.
Marris Frater, age 43, Head, born Polmont, Stirlingshire, Occupation: Carrier.
Helen D Frater, age 20, daughter, born St Ninans, Stirlingshire, Occupation: House Reeper (sic).
John D Frater, age 14, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Joseph D Frater, age 12, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Morris D Frater, age 10, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.1861 census of Cumbernauld:
address: Main Street South Side Chalmers Land.
Morris Frater, age 52, Head, born Volmont, Shirlingsh, Occupation: Carrier.
Joseph Frater, age 21, Son, born Cumbernauld. Occupation: Carrier.
Isabella Duncan, age 38, Servant, born Cumbernauld. Occupation: Domestic Servant.1881 census (details in email from Sandra Reid 1.2.2008)
Dwelling: Main Street
Census Place: Cumbernauld, Dumbarton, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203548 GRO Ref Volume 495 Enum Dist 8 Page 13
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Morris FRATER W 70 M Redding, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Carrier
Morris FRATER U 19 M Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: General Servant (Domestic)
Mary MARSHALL W 46 F Gargell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Servant
Occ: Housekeeper
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
Servant1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document (and Karen Leigh Hemmingway)
1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling
from Karen Leigh Hemmingway
from Brian Reeds
Regarding Helen DICK who became a FRATER:My wife is a FRATER and showed me the following about Helen from a death register:
Helen FRATER - Pauper - Widow of John FRATER - Labourer - died 9th January 1867 at Redding, Polmont, age 87 years.
Her parents were given as Morris DICK, Labourer (dec) and Christian DICK maiden surname GRAY (dec)
The informant was Alexander FRATER, Son, of Redding, Polmont.1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling
1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling1881 census details (email from Sandra Reid 1.2.2008)
Dwelling: Redding
Census Place: Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203543 GRO Ref Volume 487 Enum Dist 3 Page 28
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Isabella FRATER U 64 F Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Peter RUSSELL U 77 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Ostler (Retired)
email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshireemail from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow1.5.2004 Using IGI familysearch.org the name is spelt FRAITER
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
referred to as James of GorbalsMessage from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"
Date taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
Went to Glasgow about 1817 and died there at the age of 74. In 1855 he was a carpet weaver28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He has James born 20 M 1781 (M is unknown March or May probably) in Polmont. This is the source for Christine.Death certificate says:
James Frater (Carpet Weaver) Male 74 years born in Polmont, Stirlingshire 38 years in Glasgow. Son of William Frater Quarryman (deceased). But notes written in to the left of the entry states that father is John. Wife is Margaret Miller deceased. Siblings listed as John 48, Margaret 38, James 35 and WIlliam 33. Death March 22nd 1855 at 10:10 pm. He died at 17 Portugal Street, Glasgow. Died of Bronchitis certified on March 23rd. Informant was William Frater son. Registered on March 24 1855. This is in the district of HUTCHESONTOWN Glasgow, Lanark document 644/10 0275Buried in Calton Burial Ground, Glasgow.The burial ground was created by the Calton Incorporation of Weavers in 1786, there being many thousand weavers working and living in this part of the city at that time, but the ground was not solely used by them.
email re: James's Burial
Your e-mail enquiry regarding Calton Burial Ground has been forwarded to us by
Glasgow Cemeteries Dept.I can confirm that James Frater is buried in Calton, date of burial, 25th March
1855, Aged 74, 17 Portugal Street.There is a lair number, 168, however, there are no complete lair registers in
existence. I am unable to confirm if any other family members are interred in
that lair.I have checked the lair owners register and it seems that Thomas Hardie who was
a mason from Calton purchased it on November 14th 1790.The Old Parish Records for Calton include burials 1792-1854, however, these are
arranged by date, not by name.If you can arrange to view these films, you may discover other family members.
Regards
Christine McGilly
Special Collections
Mitchell Library
Glasgow
Notes on area of Portugal Street
The Streets of St Mungo, Glasgow (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gordon.adams1/StreetNames.htm)
LAURIESTON. This is a district on the south side of the river, which was feued from the trustees of Hutchesons’ Hospital about the beginning of last century by James Laurie, son of David Laurie, timber merchant, Jamaica Street. It was bounded on the west side by Bridge Street and Eglinton Street, on the east by Buchan Street and Portugal Street, on the south by Cavendish Street, extending north to Carlton Place, at the river side. Mr. Laurie had a penchant for high-sounding English names, and in laying off the lands gave us Bedford, Cavendish, Cumberland, Norfolk, Oxford, Portland, Salisbury, and Warwick Streets. These cognomens have remained, but Bridge Street, which he named Bloomsbury, has got a more suitable title.Taken from "Glimpses of Glasgow" 1894 by Andrew Aird
PORTUGAL STREET consisted largely of dwelling houses for working people. Its chief building was the Lancasterian School, which never was very popular. What is now known as Eglinton Street United Presbyterian Church had its conception in this institution. Its members met there for worship till the present church was built and ready for divine service. Its site was a gift from Mr. Laurie, of Laurieston.
email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living
in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This gives death before 185120.5.2004 - 1851 census entry provided confirming that James was a widower at this time. This confirms EC's findings that she died prior to 1851.
25.9.2005 email from Lynda Bell
I think I found Margaret.
OPR 644/67 Page 473
1848 March 4 - Mrs. Margaret MILLER or FLYTER, age 60 years, Asthma, Lair 168 old burial ground)
This is the closest I could find. Does her age seem right to you? Flyter sounds similar enough to Frater. I can see where the clerk might have gotten the name wrong.
Lynda
(This matches with dates and facts from James)29 Sept 2005
With age at death year of birth is now placed at 1788 IGI have 2 Margaret MILLERS born in Stirlingshire (place where James was born) in that year
Margaret MILLER christened 14 Sept 1798 Falkirk, Stirlingshre to John MILLER & Jean LIDDELL/LIDDLE in Batch C119709 which contains 25 MILLERS.
Margaret MILLER christened 10 Feb 1798 Gargunnock, Stirlingshre to George MILLER & Margaret PATERSONOther Margaret MILLER's christened within 2 year of 1788 in Stirlingshire include
Margaret parent: John MILLER/Margaret AITKEN 11 Aug 1789 Falkirk
also recorded birth 11 AUG 1789 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, christened 16 AUG 1789 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Margaret parent: Robert MILLER/Elizabeth WATSON 05 MAR 1789 Airth, Stirling, Scotland (birth 28 FEB 1789)
Margaret parent: James MILLER/Elizabeth MUIRHEAD 03 JAN 1790 Bothkennar, Stirling, Scotland
Margaret parent: Robert MILLER/Mary McCULLOCH 24 JAN 1790 Gargunnock, Stirling, ScotlandCould she be one of these?
email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living
in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshireemail from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow1861 census
William Frater Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
ED: 99 Page: 5
Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals County: Lanarkshire
Household schedule number: 21 Address: 17 Portugal Street
Occupation: Wool Weaver
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
MRS. Bell 42
Margaret Bell 19
William Frater 38based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
1841 Census
5 Records found
Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58
Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 57 Page: 1
Address: Portugal Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire