Linked to John Carpenter as he was in Wales at 1905 and Phil Clements thinks he was son of John and not brother of Francis.
Known to be at this address in 1905.Was a border during 1881 census with Francis. Given age is 22. (KF Presumed he is brother now known to be nephew)
for 1881 census details see Francis Carpenter
Jessie CARPENTER U 22 M Somerset, England
Rel: Boarder
Occ: CollierKF thinks this Jesse is son of John C who lived at 140 Ynyswen Road and died in 1923. This is in conflict with father John's details as Phil Clements has him dying in Midsomer Norton & KF has him dying in Treorchy Cemetery. KF has created two John's on PAF file. One dying 3.11.1923 other is the one shown in this link. They may be one & the same person.
FreeBMD has Jesse & Margaret married Qtr Dec 1882
District Pontypridd Vol 11a Pg 5961861 census from Phil Clements
The 1861 Census - St John & St Benedict Parish, Glastonbury - Res: Chilkwell St - Piece 1667 - Folio 6 - Page 7 - Schedule 35
John Carpenter Head M 24 Plate Layer on Railway East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 26 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 2 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 3mos Glastonbury1871 census from Phil Clements
The 1871 Census - Glastonbury Parish - Res: Edgarly Road - Piece 2451 - Folio 14 - Page 19 - Schedule 95
John Carpenter Head M 34 Ag Lab East Harptree
Emma Carpenter Wife M 36 Laundress Glastonbury
Jesse Carpenter Son 12 Scholar Glastonbury
Edith Carpenter Daur 10 Scholar Glastonbury
Lena Carpenter Daur 9 Scholar Glastonbury
Alice Carpenter Daur 5 Scholar Glastonbury
Minnie Carpenter Daur 2 Glastonbury1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker1901 census
Ystradyfodwg District 8, Glamorgan
RG 13/5012 Page 5
Schedule 30 7 Ynyswen Terrace
Jesse CARPENTER Head M 42 Coal Hewer below ground Glastonbury, Somerset English
Margaret CARPENTER Wife M 39 - Aberdarem Glamorgan Billingual
John A CARPENTER Son S 15 - Treherbert, Glamorgan English
Edward S CARPENTER Son S 11 - Treherbert, Glamorgan English
Arthur L CARPENTER Son S 5 - Treherbert, Glamorgan English
FreeBMD has Jesse & Margaret married Qtr Dec 1882
District Pontypridd Vol 11a Pg 596Is this Margaret & brother John in 1881?
The family certainly knew a William Beynon.. He witnessed Henry Carpenter to Sarah Powell.
1881 census
17 Somerset Place, Michaelstone Super Avon, Glamorgan, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5337/44 Page 28
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William BEYNON Head M Male 27 Michaelstone Lower, Glamorgan, Wales Pattern Maker (Arty)
Jennett BEYNON Wife M Female 38 Michaelstone Lower, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary WILLIAMS Mother In Law W Female 78 Glynneath, Glamorgan, Wales
John ABRAMS Step Son U Male 17 Michaelstone Lower, Glamorgan, Wales Tinplate Workman
Margaretta ABRAMS Step Daur U Female 16 Michaelstone Lower, Glamorgan, Wales Drapers Assistant1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker1901 census
Ystradyfodwg District 8, Glamorgan
RG 13/5012 Page 5
Schedule 30 7 Ynyswen Terrace
Jesse CARPENTER Head M 42 Coal Hewer below ground Glastonbury, Somerset English
Margaret CARPENTER Wife M 39 - Aberdarem Glamorgan Billingual
John A CARPENTER Son S 15 - Treherbert, Glamorgan English
Edward S CARPENTER Son S 11 - Treherbert, Glamorgan English
Arthur L CARPENTER Son S 5 - Treherbert, Glamorgan English
1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 30
72 Gwendoline Street
Jesse Carpenter, Head, 32, Coal miner, Somerset - Glastonbury, English speaker
Margaret Carpenter, Wife, 29, Glamorgan - Aberdare, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Son, 6, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Francis Carpenter, Son, 2, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
Edward Carpenter, Son, 1, Glamorgan - Treherbert, English & Welsh speaker
John Carpenter, Lodger, widower, 54, Coal Tipper, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Frederick Carpenter, Lodger, 17, Coal Miner, Somerset - Bishop Sutton, English speaker
married first wife at age of 26 at Llandyry Church on 11/9/1943 parish
of Pembrey
married Joyce at age of 33 on 11/7/1950 at Registry Office, LlanelliHe was in the army during the war and was part of the forces that fought in St Malo in France during WWII. He was also one of the soldiers who were charged with escorting "aliens" on the Arandora Star. This ship was sunk on July 2nd 1940. It took place north- west of Malin Head when the one-time flag ship of the Blue Star Line, the Arandora Star, was torpedoed and sank, with the loss of 682 lives out of a total of 1,571 on board.
The ship was torpedoed by submarine U47 captained by Kapitaanleutnan Gunther Prien. This disaster affected my father far more than he was willing to say. I remember him talking about it only the once when he spoke of having to go around cutting the floating the buoys of dead soldiers and others so that the bodies would sink to a grave rather than be floating food for the fish. He had a dislike of the sea ever since. He spoke of the sadness of what they had to do in the rounding up of many people with links to Italy and Germany for no other reason than that. They were links. But during that time, in war, they had no way of knowing who may be sympathisers with the enemy and who were not. The regret was more because he knew Italain and and Italian descent people, and whilst he couldn't believe that they were anything but loyal to the country they lived in, he undestood the orders that were given. He also spoke of having to have "words" with some of the way they spoke to the "aliens." He was still a Sergeant at that time (one of many - as "bing one of the boys" he also kept being demoted!!) and so could comment to the soldiers of lower rank.
I believe that survivors were brought ashore in Scotland (possibly Greenock on the Clyde). Photos were taken which were then used in the press. My father used to boast that this was the one and only time he was on the front page of a national newspaper. My mother told me that the first the family knew about where my father was, was when they saw his picture in the newspaper. This paper was lost over the years and I have yet to locate a copy of it.Buried at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Born Biggs
second wife of David Charles Frater and sister of first wife
Dulcie. Technically step mother of Clive but brought him up from a baby.
Technically half brother of Kerry
married at age of 28 on 11/7/1950 to David Charles at Registry Office,
LlanelliBuried at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
married first wife at age of 26 at Llandyry Church on 11/9/1943 parish
of Pembrey
married Joyce at age of 33 on 11/7/1950 at Registry Office, LlanelliHe was in the army during the war and was part of the forces that fought in St Malo in France during WWII. He was also one of the soldiers who were charged with escorting "aliens" on the Arandora Star. This ship was sunk on July 2nd 1940. It took place north- west of Malin Head when the one-time flag ship of the Blue Star Line, the Arandora Star, was torpedoed and sank, with the loss of 682 lives out of a total of 1,571 on board.
The ship was torpedoed by submarine U47 captained by Kapitaanleutnan Gunther Prien. This disaster affected my father far more than he was willing to say. I remember him talking about it only the once when he spoke of having to go around cutting the floating the buoys of dead soldiers and others so that the bodies would sink to a grave rather than be floating food for the fish. He had a dislike of the sea ever since. He spoke of the sadness of what they had to do in the rounding up of many people with links to Italy and Germany for no other reason than that. They were links. But during that time, in war, they had no way of knowing who may be sympathisers with the enemy and who were not. The regret was more because he knew Italain and and Italian descent people, and whilst he couldn't believe that they were anything but loyal to the country they lived in, he undestood the orders that were given. He also spoke of having to have "words" with some of the way they spoke to the "aliens." He was still a Sergeant at that time (one of many - as "bing one of the boys" he also kept being demoted!!) and so could comment to the soldiers of lower rank.
I believe that survivors were brought ashore in Scotland (possibly Greenock on the Clyde). Photos were taken which were then used in the press. My father used to boast that this was the one and only time he was on the front page of a national newspaper. My mother told me that the first the family knew about where my father was, was when they saw his picture in the newspaper. This paper was lost over the years and I have yet to locate a copy of it.Buried at Llandyry Church Trimsaran
Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
Born Biggs
First Wife of David Charles Frater and mother of Clive.
married at age of 23 at Llandyry Church on 11/9/1943 (parish of Pembrey)
Jestyn's Brother who married wife's sister
Married 24/5/1914. Lived at 100 Gwendolin St., Treherbert. married at
30.He was an Engine Driver like his father.
1891 census
RG12/4371 page 30
Newport Monmouthshire
3 Leek (or Lock) Street
Richard Biggs Head M 43 Engine Driver Bisley, Gloucestershire
Margaret Biggs Wife M 34 - Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian Biggs Daur S 16 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan
Edgar Biggs Son S 14 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan
Jestyn Biggs Son S 12 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan
Henry Biggs Son S 11 Scholar Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mabel Biggs Daur S 9 Scholar Swansea, Glamorgan
Richard Biggs Son S 6 Scholar Swansea, Glamorgan
Alice Biggs Daur S 3 Scholar Swansea, Glamorgan
Ivor Biggs Son S 1 Scholar Swansea, Glamorgan1901 Census
RG13/5057 Fo:16 Pg:24 Schedule 141
Dwelling 25 Lewis Road, Neath
Richard Biggs Head Married 54 Railway Engine Driver, Bisley Gloucester, English Speaker
Margaret Biggs wife Married 52 Neath Glamorgan, English & Welsh Speaker
Edgar Biggs Son Single 25 House Painter, Cardiff Glamorgan, English Speaker
Richard Biggs Son Single 15 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Ivor Biggs Son Single 11 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Oswald Biggs Son Single 3 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Mabel Biggs Daughter Single 19 Dressmaker, Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Alice Biggs Daughter Single 13 Swansea Glamorgan, English Speaker
Gladys Biggs Daughter Single 4 Neath Glamorgan, English Speaker
Born Carpenter
Sister of Mary Millicent who married Husband's brother
married on 24/5/1914 at age of 30.1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 34
94 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter, Head, 44, Photographer’s Agent, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Jane Carpenter, Wife, 39, Scotland - Kinross, English speaker
George E Carpenter, Son, 21, Stoker coalminer, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter, Daughter, 16, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter, Son, 13, Messenger port, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Florence Carpenter, Daughter, 8, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter, Daughter, 3, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Herbert (Hubert?) Vranch, nephew, 22, coalminer, Somerset - Radstock, English speaker1901 census
RG13/5012 Fo: 81 Pg 19
100 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter Head Married 53 Commision Agent East Harptree, Somerset, English speaker
Jane Carpenter wife Married 49 Dundee, Scotland, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter Son single 24 Blacksmith's Striker Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Florence H (should be E) Carpenter Daughter single 18 Dressmaker's apprentice Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter Daughter single 13 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
BMD shows Francis reg. in Clutton District Qtr March 1847 not 46.
from Midsommer Norton (N. Somerset) near Radstock (coal minor). Traded
as a Butcher in the Rhondda. Believed to have moved to this address in
1895.FC's birthday comes from Florence Ellen Carpenters birthday book.
New 1851 census data as 1891 census details show Francis born in East Harptree
42 Coley Hamley this should say Hamlet CARPENTER Charles 40 Ag. Lab Axbridge, Som. Mary 37 East Harptree, Som John 14 Errand Boy East Harptree, Som Sarah 11 Scholar East Harptree, Som Eliza 6 Scholar East Harptree, Som Francis 4 Scholar East Harptree, Som Maria 1 East Harptree, Som1871 census Taken from the Family research carried out by Norman Leonard CARPENTER and "written up" in 1979
Pontypridd District, Ystradyfodwg Sub District
RG 10/5383
Part of Middle Hamlet - Houses at Treherbert from Dunraven Inn to Libanus Chapel, Cwmsaerbren Farm House Cottages by Treherbert Station. Huts by Bute Merthyr Colliery and Tylaforest Farm house.
Schedule 221: Dumfries Street
Francis Carpenter Head Marr 24 Collier Somersetshire
Jane Carpenter Wife Marr 20 - Scotland
Ernest Carpenter Son 1 Treherbert
Thomas John Head Marr 24 Collier Pembrokeshire
Mary A John Wife Marr 22 Monmouthshire
Thomas John Son 2 Glamorganshire Treherbert
Sarah I John Daur 9mo Glamorganshire Treherbert
George Galloway Lodger UnMarr 24 Collier & local preacher Scotland [NLC - Methodist Circuit]In 1875 Francis is listed in Warrals Directory of South Wales as a Butcher in Treherbert as is George GALLOWAY. Did he work with George? Did George try to take his son-in-law into his business or is this how he met Jane? He obviously didn't last as this is his only known entry into the local business directories.
The 1881 Census - Ystradyfodwg Parish, Glam - Res: 72 Gwendoline St - Piece 5300 - Folio 110 - Pg 49
Francis Carpenter Head M 34 Collier Somerset, England
Jane Carpenter Wife M 29 Scotland
George Earnest Carpenter Son 11 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter Daur 6 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Charles Leo Carpenter Son 3 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Albert Joseph Carpenter Son 1 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Jessie Carpenter Boarder U 22 Collier Somerset, England (now known to be nephew)1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 34
94 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter, Head, 44, Photographer’s Agent, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Jane Carpenter, Wife, 39, Scotland - Kinross, English speaker
George E Carpenter, Son, 21, Stoker coalminer, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter, Daughter, 16, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter, Son, 13, Messenger port, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Florence Carpenter, Daughter, 8, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter, Daughter, 3, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Herbert (Hubert?) Vranch, nephew, 22, coalminer, Somerset - Radstock, English speaker1901 census
RG13/5012 Fo: 81 Pg 19
100 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter Head Married 53 Commision Agent East Harptree, Somerset, English speaker
Jane Carpenter wife Married 49 Dundee, Scotland, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter Son single 24 Blacksmith's Striker Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Florence H (should be E) Carpenter Daughter single 18 Dressmaker's apprentice Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter Daughter single 13 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speakerCharles & Mary Carpenter baptised the following children at East Harptree according to the I.G.I. (I do not have any records for East Harptree Parish).
Sarah 15 Sep 1839
Frederick 28 Aug 1842 Eliza 29 Sep 1844
Francis 14 Feb 1846
Martha baptised 17 Mar 1849Norman CARPENTER says in his family tree that he was called Frank.
On the Galloway side I have incorporated the birth dates of all George Galloway's children. These were discovered by Norman Carpenter in the Galloway Family Bible which I believe he saw at Ronald Galloway's house, 74 Miskin Street, Treherbert when he visited there on 21 July 1966.
All the Scottish Galloways were born at Hatton Burn Farm and all christened at Balgedie Presbyterian Church.4064 1861 CENSUS OF MIDDLE HAMLET. REF.R.G.9/4064, E.D.7.
Piece: 4064 Folio: 002 Schedule: 034
Address: CWMSAERBREN
GALLAWAY GEORGE HD M 41 FARM BAILIFF SCT - (c1820)
GALLAWAY ELIZABETH WI M 31 - SCT - (c1830)
GALLAWAY ARCHIBALD SO U 15 COAL MINER SCT - (c1846)
GALLAWAY GEORGE SO U 13 AG LAB SCT - (c1848)
GALLAWAY JOHN SO U 11 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1850)
GALLAWAY AGNES DA U 9 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1852)
GALLAWAY JANE DA U 7 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1854)
GALLAWAY RACHAEL DA U 5 SCHOLAR SCT - (c1856)1871 census Taken from the Family research carried out by Norman Leonard CARPENTER and "written up" in 1979
Pontypridd District, Ystradyfodwg Sub District
RG 10/5383
Part of Middle Hamlet - Houses at Treherbert from Dunraven Inn to Libanus Chapel, Cwmsaerbren Farm House Cottages by Treherbert Station. Huts by Bute Merthyr Colliery and Tylaforest Farm house.
Schedule 221: Dumfries Street
Francis Carpenter Head Marr 24 Collier Somersetshire
Jane Carpenter Wife Marr 20 - Scotland
Ernest Carpenter Son 1 Treherbert
Thomas John Head Marr 24 Collier Pembrokeshire
Mary A John Wife Marr 22 Monmouthshire
Thomas John Son 2 Glamorganshire Treherbert
Sarah I John Daur 9mo Glamorganshire Treherbert
George Galloway Lodger UnMarr 24 Collier & local preacher Scotland [NLC - Methodist Circuit]The 1881 Census - Ystradyfodwg Parish, Glam - Res: 72 Gwendoline St - Piece 5300 - Folio 110 - Pg 49
Francis Carpenter Head M 34 Collier Somerset, England
Jane Carpenter Wife M 29 Scotland
George Earnest Carpenter Son 11 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter Daur 6 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Charles Leo Carpenter Son 3 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Albert Joseph Carpenter Son 1 Scholar Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Jessie Carpenter Boarder U 22 Collier Somerset, England (now known to be nephew)1891 census
RG12/4421 Pg 34
94 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter, Head, 44, Photographer’s Agent, Somerset - East Harptree, English speaker
Jane Carpenter, Wife, 39, Scotland - Kinross, English speaker
George E Carpenter, Son, 21, Stoker coalminer, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Elizabeth Jane Carpenter, Daughter, 16, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter, Son, 13, Messenger port, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Florence Carpenter, Daughter, 8, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter, Daughter, 3, Glamorgan Ystradyfodwg, English speaker
Herbert (Hubert?) Vranch, nephew, 22, coalminer, Somerset - Radstock, English speaker1901 census
RG13/5012 Fo: 81 Pg 19
100 Gwendoline Street
Francis Carpenter Head Married 53 Commision Agent East Harptree, Somerset, English speaker
Jane Carpenter wife Married 49 Dundee, Scotland, English speaker
Charles L Carpenter Son single 24 Blacksmith's Striker Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Florence H (should be E) Carpenter Daughter single 18 Dressmaker's apprentice Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speaker
Mary M Carpenter Daughter single 13 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, English speakerKF revised the birth year to 1854 based on her age on interment and e-mail to/from Robyn Tester (16.11.2002)
RT believes the birth date is between 21.6.1853 and 20.6.1854. If this is correct and KF's Grandmother's birthday book of dates is correct (giving Jane's birthday as 27 Oct) then she would have been born on 27 Oct 1853.
Died as a baby (believed to be 6 months old)
email from John Bridgeman gives the year as 1880