Name on ancestry.co.uk
Possible IGI births
Christening: 19 JAN 1718 Muiravonside, Stirling, Scotland
Parents: Father: PETER FORGIE Family
Mother: MARIE DUNLOP
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:Type:
C114862 1689 - 1820 1041954, 0102123 Film 6903159Christening: 05 JUL 1724 Muiravonside, Stirling, Scotland
Parents: Father: JOHN FORGIE Family
Mother: ELISABETH STIRLING
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:Type:
C114862 1689 - 1820 1041954, 0102123 Film 6903159
Best guess for birth based on IGI
CRISTIAN GURLIE Female
Christening: 26 DEC 1725 Muiravonside, Stirling, Scotland
Parents: Father: ROBERT GURLIE Mother: CRISTIAN BURN
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C114862 1689 - 1820 1041954, 0102123 Film 6903159 Film
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.1871 census details from Maria Williams 18.3.2007
114 Church Road, North Shields, Tynemouth
Hannah McMullan Head Widow 66 Lodging House Keeper North Shields, Northumberland
Charles Brown Boarder UnM 38 Seaman France
William Bell Boarder UnM 22 Tailor Scotland
Thomas Bell Boarder UnM 53 Engine Fitter Scotland
Henry Newton Boarder UnM 23 Seaman Hull, Yorkshire
Charles ?ack Boarder UnM 24 Seaman ?
George Jameson Boarder UnM 24 Seaman Newcastle1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works
email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgowbased on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.1861 census
William Frater Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
ED: 99 Page: 5
Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals County: Lanarkshire
Household schedule number: 21 Address: 17 Portugal Street
Occupation: Wool Weaver
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
MRS. Bell 42
Margaret Bell 19
William Frater 381871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire ScholarDescription:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.
1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works
email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow1861 census
William Frater Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
ED: 99 Page: 5
Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals County: Lanarkshire
Household schedule number: 21 Address: 17 Portugal Street
Occupation: Wool Weaver
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
MRS. Bell 42
Margaret Bell 19
William Frater 38based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire ScholarDescription:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works
1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire ScholarDescription:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.
1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire ScholarDescription:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.
1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire ScholarDescription:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works
1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire ScholarDescription:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works
Birth dates given by Leicester these are closest entries on birth index
Frater William James B 1882 March Pancras 1b 112
Frater William James B 1880 June Holborn 1b 773based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all detailsBMD Marriage ref: Marriages Qtr Jun 1902
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Frater William James Holborn 1b 1003
POWELL Sarah Caroline Holborn 1b 1003Dwelling 10 North Street Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341077 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0355 / 47 Page Number 14
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Jane FOORD Wife (Head) M Female 58 London, Middlesex, England Nurse
John D. FOORD Son U Male 17 London, Middlesex, England Polisher
Frances A. FOORD Daur U Female 24 London, Middlesex, England Machinist
Ellen E. FRATER Daur M Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Dress Maker
Willie FRATER Gran Son U Male 11m London, Middlesex, England
Mary PHILLIPS Relative M Female 51 London, Middlesex, England
Henry F. PHILLIPS Relative U Male 12 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
email from Patrick Davies 4.8.2007
The Mary Phillips "relative" was born MARY CHARLOTTE COWCHER, sister of JANE and GEORGE WILLIAM. Henry Phillips was her son
Date taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
death data show him a retired French Polisher28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths ClerkenwellThis is a guess as I cannot find and marriage between Jane and a DAVISON but could this be Jane (Sister of Elizabeth Ellen) with William son of Elizabeth Ellen?
1901 census
Davison Jane 56 Head -, London 94 Wynford Road, Clerkenwell, London RG13/0251/~F114 CD20 RG13-0251.pdf p.225
Davison Lily 21 Daughter Dress Maker St Pancras, - 94 Wynford Road, Clerkenwell, London RG13/0251/~F114 CD20 RG13-0251.pdf p.225
Alfred 19 Son Pianoforte Polisher Soho, - 94 Wynford Road, Clerkenwell, London RG13/0251/~F114 CD20 RG13-0251.pdf p.225
Frater William 20 Nephew Pentonville, - 94 Wynford Road, Clerkenwell, London RG13/0251/~F114 CD20 RG13-0251.pdf p.225
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all detailsBMD Marriage ref:
Frater William James M 1902 June Holborn 1b 100328 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
(viv 1983). Had Downs Syndrome.
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all detailsDate taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
believed to have had sons28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
BMD Entry
Frater Edward Charles B 1908 June Islington 1b 33028 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
From Births Register index
Frater Albert S B 1917 June Islington 1b 475 Powell28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
(viv 1983)Inital A taken from BMD Record
from will of father-in-law
1. Isabella Frater or Downie, also my daughter relict of Thomas Downie, New York, America.
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
from Karen Leigh Hemmingway
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
from Karen Leigh Hemmingwayfrom will of father
1. Helen Frater or Cairns, also my daughter, wife of George Cairns, Joiner, Montreal, Canada.1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 151851 scottish cesnsus
addresss: Main
Street, Cumbernauld.
Marris Frater, age 43, Head, born Polmont, Stirlingshire, Occupation: Carrier.
Helen D Frater, age 20, daughter, born St Ninans, Stirlingshire, Occupation: House Reeper (sic).
John D Frater, age 14, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Joseph D Frater, age 12, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Morris D Frater, age 10, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
from Karen Leigh Hemmingway
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
from Karen Leigh Hemmingway
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
from Karen Leigh Hemmingway