1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 31 Agricultural Labourer living with wife's family
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales PauperDetails also found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths
1841 Cappel Llangendeirne aged 7
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 27
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales PauperDetails also found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 4
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 7 months
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales Pauper
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales Pauper
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales Pauper
Buired at Pisgah Baptist Chapel Bancffosfelen - aged 20 - died in childbirth.
Buired at Pisgah Baptist Chapel Bancffosfelen - aged 6 months.
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1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with wife; their daughter Ellen; her son John James by earlier relationship. Charles’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - labourer at iron works; child Charles Thomas - office boy at bedstead factory, also present 1 visitor.
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
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1841 Cen. Living Canal Street, Birmingham parish, rec as Ellenor, age rounded down to 20, living with son William SHORT aged 6 and with parents rec. as Thomas & Ellenor SHORT.1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - labourer at iron works; child Charles Thomas - office boy at bedstead factory, also present 1 visitor.
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholarbaptised with siblings Nathaniel & Samuel, first name rec. as ‘Hellen’ and parents rec. as Thomas & ‘Hellen’ SHORT
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1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents, brother, sister and half-brothers William SHORT & John James SHORT
Name JONES too common to establish positive identification in later Cens. at this stage without further corroboration
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1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents, sisters and half-brothers William SHORT & John James SHORT1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents
Name JONES too common to establish positive identification in later Cens. at this stage without further corroboration
1881 British Census
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SELWAY Head M Male 64 Clandown, Somerset, England Coal Miner
Eliza SELWAY Wife M Female 63 Hudby, Somerset, England
Joseph SELWAY Son Male 14 London, London, Middlesex, England Coal Miner
Blackers Row, Midsomer Norton, Somerset, England
PRO Ref RG11Piece/Folio 2428/93 Page 1
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Other Information: Birth Year <1876> Birthplace Manthorpe, Lincoln, England Age 5 Occupation Scholar Marital Status U <Unmarried> Head of Household
Relation Daughter Disability
Source Information: Dwelling Main Road Census Place Belton, Lincoln, England Family History Library Film
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3234 / 32 Page Number 4
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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street with Caroline, children Thomas, Jane and Sarah. Also living with them is 73 year old widowed ‘Ellen’ SHORT born ‘Mintrose’, Scotland. She is described as ‘Grandmother’ but is, almost certainly, Samuel’s mother Helen DEMPSTER. Samuel’s occupation: Iron Wire Drawer 1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with wife; children Thomas, Jane, Sarah & Harriet; also present is ‘nephew’ Henry SHORT aged 4, b. Birmingham and this appears to be Samuel’s great-nephew Thomas Henry SHORT, son of William SHORT b. 1835 who was illeg. son of Samuel’s sister Helen/Ellen SHORT. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. 1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with wife; child Harriet; ‘nephew’ Charles T TUNBRIDGE b. 1861/2, Birmingham shown as ‘nephew’ Charles T TIMBALL on the 1881 Cen. (This person has now been traced as Charles Thomas TIMBRELL/TIMBRILL b. 30 Oct 1861, bpt 12 Apr 1863 Aston Juxta, son of Frederick TIMBRELL & Charlotte CLARK(E), sister of wife Caroline CLARK(E)); and two lodgers who are Wire Drawers from Birmingham. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. Samuel & Caroline’s son Thomas and family are also living in Woolwich at this time. 1881 Cen. Living 159 Dartmouth St, Aston with wife and nephew Charles T. TIMBALL. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer bef. 1891 death of Caroline 1891 Cen. Samuel living at 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham with his daughter Sarah., her husband Benjamin WILLIAMSON and their 8 children. Samuel is widower, occupation: Wire Drawer bef. 1901 death of Samuel SHORT
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1851 husband, children Thomas, Jane and Sarah. Also living with them is 73 year old widowed ‘Ellen’ SHORT born ‘Mintrose’, Scotland. She is described as ‘Grandmother’ but is, almost certainly, Samuel’s mother Helen DEMPSTER. Samuel’s occupation: Iron Wire Drawer
1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with husband; children Thomas, Jane, Sarah & Harriet; also present is ‘nephew’ Henry SHORT aged 4, b. Birmingham and this appears to be husband’s great-nephew Thomas Henry SHORT, son of William SHORT b. 1835 who was illeg. son of Samuel’s sister Helen/Ellen SHORT. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer.
1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with husband; child Harriet; ‘nephew’ Charles T TUNBRIDGE b. 1861/2, Birmingham shown as ‘nephew’ Charles T TIMBALL on the 1881 Cen. (This person has now been traced as Charles Thomas TIMBRELL/TIMBRILL b. 30 oct 1861, bpt 12 Apr 1863 Aston Juxta, son of Frederick TIMBRELL & Charlotte CLARK(E), caroline’s sister); and two lodgers who are Wire Drawers from Birmingham. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. Samuel & Caroline’s son Thomas and family are also living in Woolwich at this time.
1881 Cen. Living 159 Dartmouth St, Aston with wife and nephew Charles T. TIMBALL. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer
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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street, Aston with parents1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents
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1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with parents
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Previous marriage of Selina SLATER to unknown PARKES not traced. Daughters by previous m. rec. on 1861 cen as Mary C PARKES and Caroline A PARKES but b. not traced and not found on later Cens. despite young ages, but note Caroline A PORTER of correct age found with Selina SLATER’s parents in 1871. On 1851 (shown as NATER on Ancestry), Selina with parents, unmarried. On 1861 as Head of family, widow, with daughters and parents, shown on Ancestry as PARKER and parents wrongly rec. One known sibling Amelia Hargrove SLATER b. 17 Aug 1835, bpt. 12 Oct 1835, Handsworth.
It had been hoped that his second wife might have shown a link to witnesses at his first marrige and to an earlier SHORT/PARKES marriage. Unfortunately, Selina SLATER's first PARKES husband has not been found. If you find him - please let me know!
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One known sibling Amelia Hargrove SLATER b. 17 Aug 1835, bpt. 12 Oct 1835, Handsworth.
It had been hoped that his second wife might have shown a link to witnesses at his first marrige and to an earlier SHORT/PARKES marriage. Unfortunately, Selina SLATER's first PARKES husband has not been found. If you find him - please let me know!