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KF's 1881 census
George Rd, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/100 Page 39
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Francis SNEAD Head M Male 22 Munworth Wire Drawer
Harriet SNEAD Wife M Female 21 Bham Wife
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1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham
KF's 1881 census
George Rd, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/100 Page 39
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Francis SNEAD Head M Male 22 Munworth Wire Drawer
Harriet SNEAD Wife M Female 21 Bham Wife1891 not yet traced
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1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, BirminghamKF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 1901
Alexander SHORT 27 Manager B’ham Alfred SHORT 36 Iron Caster B’ham
Mary Ann SHORT 25 Coleshill Mary Ann SHORT 34 Coleshill
Alexander SHORT 7 Yardley Alexander SHORT 18 Iron Caster Yardley
Fanny L SHORT 7 B’ham Hannah SHORT 16 Sorter Iron Cast. B’ham
Margarette SHORT 3 B’ham Gertrude SHORT 14 B’ham
Howard V SHORT 1 B’ham Sydney SHORT 12 B’ham
1891 All above clearly Thomas SHORT 10 B’ham
SHORT but transcribed Mary A SHORT 7 B’ham
as THORP on Ancestry Minnie SHORT 7 B’hamThe places of birth of Mary Ann & Alexander are the same. The 1901 family cannot be found in this form in any other census. There is no known Alfred SHORT b. around 1864/5. Missing sections from free BMD causes problems with identification. Crucially, freeBMD records b. Mar Q 1898 Sidney Howard V SHORT. These must be the same families, but why the big differences? An enumerator at the end of a bad night? Hannah Lydia SHORT b. Aston Mar Q 1885 may be both Hannah and Fanny L. Margaret Gertrude b. Dec Q 1886 Aston (Acton on Free BMD) must be both Margarette & Gertrude. Thomas could be the Frederick Thomas b. reg. Dec Q 1890. Mary Ann may be the one b. reg. Sep Q 1893. Minnie is likely to be Minnie Beatrice b. reg. Mar Q 1896 - thus 4 years old at 1901 Cen, not 7.
Children will be temp. rec. (pending 1911 cen. published 2011/2) as follows:
Alexander SHORT b. 1882/3 Yardley
Hannah Lydia (or Fanny L) SHORT b.1885/6 Aston, Birmingham
Margaret Gertrude SHORT b. 1886 Aston, Birmingham
Sidney Howard V SHORT b. 1887/8 Aston, Birmingham
Thomas (or ?Frederick Thomas?) SHORT b. 1890/91 Birmingham
Mary A SHORT b. 1893-95 Birmingham
Minnie (?Minnie Beatrice?) SHORT b. abt. 1896 Birmingham
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KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006 original research Lavinia & Geoff ISAAC
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with wife; children William J - Solicitor’s Clerk, George H, Mabel L, Eliza, Emily A, Ellen R & Winifred V. (Florence A not present) Occupation: Railworks Cupola Man (a cupola man mixes, prepares and smelts metals for the casters).
1901 not traced
In the 1851 census for Birmingham the only Emma SHORT I can find who is the right age for our Emma is given thus: (Census Ref. 2061/213/50)
Little Francis St. Aston
Head, Joseph ABBOTT, aged 31, Pearl Button Maker born Birmingham, Warks.
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 22 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Daughter, Eliza, aged 1 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Visitor, Emma SHORT, aged 16. born Birmingham, Warwickshire
So it appears that Emma was staying with her sister, Mary Ann ABBOTT on the night of the census.
This census was taken in April of 1851. Little Francis St. ran between Great Lister Street and Lupin St. It was just round the corner from Bloomsburyemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006 original research Lavinia & Geoff ISAAC
1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: Machinist
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, England
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol with husband - Railworks Cupola Man; children William J - Solicitor’s Clerk, George H, Mabel L, Eliza, Emily A, Ellen R & Winifred V. (Florence A not present)
1901 not traced
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents. Occupation: Solicitor’s Clerk
1901 Cen. No trace
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, England
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
KF's 1881 census
1 Court 17 House St Andrews Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/24 Page 41
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles FIGURES Head M Male 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England Engine Driver At Factory
Rosina FIGURES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 living 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with wife; child William Charles. Occupation: Nail Caster. Child, Lilian Rose has died 1891.
1901 Cen Living at 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with wife; child - son William Charles - Apprentice Chair Maker. Occupation: Nail Caster
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1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: domestic work
KF's 1881 census
1 Court 17 House St Andrews Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/24 Page 41
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles FIGURES Head M Male 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England Engine Driver At Factory
Rosina FIGURES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England1891 living 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with husband - Nail Caster, child William Charles. Child, Lilian Rose has died 1891.
1901 Cen Living at 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with husband - nail Caster; son William Charles A - Apprentice Chair Maker 1 Feb 1915 death of Charles FIGURES, Bristol
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1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents
KF's 1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales with parents who run a lodging house; also present sister Emma and her daughter. Occupation of Albert Joseph - hairdresser
1901 Cen. living 5 ?Water? Street, Rhyl, Flinshire, Wales with wife. Occupation: self-employed hairdresser.
KF 31.5.2006 note
A John Purvis died in Greenwich in Q Dec 1885. I don't think it is this John but it may be his father?
Purvis John 73 Greenwich 1d 578If he died in the UK, these are possible entries (not convinced myself) - working on principle that he will be in London area if in the UK at all.
Q March 1894 Purvis John 56 Pancras 1b 105
Q Dec 1894 PURVIS John 67 Pancras 1b 104
Q June 1896 Purvis John 64 Croydon 2a 137
Q Dec 1904 PURVIS John 88 Croydon 2a 181
1841, 1851 and 1861 census details by email from Cindy Courtier 31.5.2006
1841 England Census Record, Surrey, Lambeth
Name: Peter Frater
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Household:
Peter Frater, 25, millwright
Jane Frater, 25
Jane Frater, 4
Thomas Frater, 2
Isabelle Frater, 5 months
Civil parish: Lambeth Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Source information: HO107/1061/6
Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Folio: 49 Page: Line number: 21 GSU Number: 4746551851 England, Kent, Woolrich
Peter Freater abt 1812 West Cosham, Northumberland, England Head, engine fitter
Jane Freater abt 1816 South Wark, Surrey, England Wife
Jane Freater abt 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter
Thomas Freater abt 1839 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son
Isabella Freater abt 1841 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter
Mathew S Freater abt 1843 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son
Mary A Freater abt 1845 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter
Jessie Freater abt 1847 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter W
John S Frater abt 1849 Woolwich, Kent, England Son1861 England Census Record, Kent Woolrich about Peter Frake (Frater) Name: Peter Frake Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Gender: Male
Where born: Werk, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Woolwich County/Island: Kent Country: England
Source information: RG9/405 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
Peter Frake abt 1812 Werk, Northumberland, England Head, engine fitter
Jane Frake abt 1816 Southwark, Surrey, England Wife
Emma Frake abt 1852 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter
Isabella Frake abt 1836 Southwark, Surrey, England Daughter, milner
Matthew L Frake abt 1843 Southwark, Surrey, England Son, turner, Royal Arsenel
John S Frake abt 1849 Woolwich, Kent, England Son, scholar
Peter P Frake abt 1854 Woolwich, Kent, England Son, scholar
Margaret Frake abt 1858 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter, scholar1871 census
RG 10/779
Page 13/30
16 Kidd Street, Woolwich
Name Relationship M/S Sex Age Rank/Profession Place of Birth
Jane Frater Head Married F 55 Engine Fitters wife Southwark, Surrey
Isabella Purvis Daur in law Married F 30 wife of engineer Egyption navy Lambeth, Surrey
Marianne Frater Daur UnMarried F 26 Stationer's assistant Lambeth, Surrey
John Frater Son UnMarried M 22 Engine Smith (out of employ) Woolwich, Kent
Margaret Frater Daur UnMarried F 13 Scholar Woolwich, Kent
John PURVIS Grand Son UnMarr M 3 New Charlton, Kent Scholar
William PURVIS Grand Son UnMarr M 3m New Charlton, Kent Scholar
1871 census
RG 10/779
Page 13/30
16 Kidd Street, Woolwich
Name Relationship M/S Sex Age Rank/Profession Place of Birth
Jane Frater Head Married F 55 Engine Fitters wife Southwark, Surrey
Isabella Purvis Daur in law Married F 30 wife of engineer Egyption navy Lambeth, Surrey
Marianne Frater Daur UnMarried F 26 Stationer's assistant Lambeth, Surrey
John Frater Son UnMarried M 22 Engine Smith (out of employ) Woolwich, Kent
Margaret Frater Daur UnMarried F 13 Scholar Woolwich, Kent
John PURVIS Grand Son UnMarr M 3 New Charlton, Kent Scholar
William PURVIS Grand Son UnMarr M 3m New Charlton, Kent Scholar
middle name by email from Cindy Courtier 31.5.2006
1871 census
RG 10/779
Page 13/30
16 Kidd Street, Woolwich
Name Relationship M/S Sex Age Rank/Profession Place of Birth
Jane Frater Head Married F 55 Engine Fitters wife Southwark, Surrey
Isabella Purvis Daur in law Married F 30 wife of engineer Egyption navy Lambeth, Surrey
Marianne Frater Daur UnMarried F 26 Stationer's assistant Lambeth, Surrey
John Frater Son UnMarried M 22 Engine Smith (out of employ) Woolwich, Kent
Margaret Frater Daur UnMarried F 13 Scholar Woolwich, Kent
John PURVIS Grand Son UnMarr M 3 New Charlton, Kent Scholar
William PURVIS Grand Son UnMarr M 3m New Charlton, Kent Scholar
1891 census
RG12/530 Page 12
Woolwich London
65 Kidd Street
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jane FRATER Head W Female 74 Southwark, Surrey, England Living on own means
Marianne FRATER Daur U Female 43 Lambeth, Surrey, England Dressmaker
Annie A Purvis G Daur U Female 15 Scholar Egypt, British subject
Nellie M Purvis G Daur U Female 13 Scholar Egypt, British subject
1891 census
RG12/530 Page 12
Woolwich London
65 Kidd Street
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jane FRATER Head W Female 74 Southwark, Surrey, England Living on own means
Marianne FRATER Daur U Female 43 Lambeth, Surrey, England Dressmaker
Annie A Purvis G Daur U Female 15 Scholar Egypt, British subject
Nellie M Purvis G Daur U Female 13 Scholar Egypt, British subject
1841, 1851 and 1861 census details by email from Cindy Courtier 31.5.2006
1841 England Census Record, Surrey, Lambeth
Name: Peter Frater
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Household:
Peter Frater, 25, millwright
Jane Frater, 25
Jane Frater, 4
Thomas Frater, 2
Isabelle Frater, 5 months
Civil parish: Lambeth Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Source information: HO107/1061/6
Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Folio: 49 Page: Line number: 21 GSU Number: 4746551851 England, Kent, Woolrich
Peter Freater abt 1812 West Cosham, Northumberland, England Head, engine fitter
Jane Freater abt 1816 South Wark, Surrey, England Wife
Jane Freater abt 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter
Thomas Freater abt 1839 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son
Isabella Freater abt 1841 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter
Mathew S Freater abt 1843 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son
Mary A Freater abt 1845 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter
Jessie Freater abt 1847 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter W
John S Frater abt 1849 Woolwich, Kent, England Son1881 census
Road Through Village The School House
Grendon Underwood, Buckingham, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 1471/106 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas FRATER Head M Male 42 London, Surrey, England Schoolmaster
Caroline FRATER Wife M Female 49 Leighton, Bedford, England Schoolmistress
Agnes J. FRATER Dau U Female 17 Grendon, Buckingham, England Pupil Teacher1891 census
National School, Grendon, Aylesbury, Buck
RG12/1144 Pg 14
Thomas Frater Head M M 52 Schoolmaster Lambeth, Surrey
Caroline Frater Wife M F 59 Leigton Buzzard, Beds
Agnes I/J Frater Daur U F 27 Schoolmistress Grendon, Bucks
Sarah Holt Boarder U F 17 Pupil Woodham, Bucks
1891 census
National School, Grendon, Aylesbury, Buck
RG12/1144 Pg 14
Thomas Frater Head M M 52 Schoolmaster Lambeth, Surrey
Caroline Frater Wife M F 59 Leigton Buzzard, Beds
Agnes I/J Frater Daur U F 27 Schoolmistress Grendon, Bucks
Sarah Holt Boarder U F 17 Pupil Woodham, Bucks1881 census
Road Through Village The School House
Grendon Underwood, Buckingham, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 1471/106 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas FRATER Head M Male 42 London, Surrey, England Schoolmaster
Caroline FRATER Wife M Female 49 Leighton, Bedford, England Schoolmistress
Agnes J. FRATER Dau U Female 17 Grendon, Buckingham, England Pupil Teacher
name by email from Cindy Courtier 31.5.2006
1881 census
16 Kidd St, Woolwich, Kent, England
PRO RG11 0744 / 51 Pg 14
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jane FRATER Head W Female 65 Southwark, Surrey, England
Marianne FRATER Daur U Female 33 Lambeth, Surrey, England Milliner
John S. FRATER Son U Male 32 Woolwich, Kent, England Engine Smith (Unemployed)
Margaret FRATER Daur U Female 22 Woolwich, Kent, England Stationers Assistant
Isabella PURVIS Grand Daur Female 9 (British Subject), Egypt Scholar