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One child of parents m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 18611871 Cen. With grandparents at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacherm(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston,Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
1891 Cen living ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, Bordesley, Aston with son SH5.1A.1A.1A.1 John F SMITH b. 1886/7, his mother’s second husband, Francis William GREEN - pattern maker; and his daughter by first marriage, Jane GREEN - certified elementary school teacher.
1901 Cen. Living 16 Charles Road, Aston (St Oswalds Ward) - occupation Builder & Contractor (Employer), with wife; children Ewart Dempster SMITH b. 1894 Birmingham & Minette Louise SMITH b. 1899 Birmingham
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m(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston, Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Aston with ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; children prob by first wife, Ann b. 1839/40 & Hannah b. 1841: child by ptnr/second wife, SH2.10BS Nathaniel Beddison SHORT b. abt. Jun 1850. Note did not m. Eliza until 1852. Occupation of Nathaniel (sen): Malleable Iron Caster. Large gap between b. of Hannah and Nathaniel may indicate earlier marriage (to check 1841 cen.)
m. 22 Feb 1852 St Martin, Birmingham Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON b. 1821/2 Birmingham
1861 Cen. Lodging -----Place, West Street, Doncaster, Yorkshire (former West Riding), widower, occupation: Moulder 1869 death of Nathaniel
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with ptnr/future husband Nathaniel SHORT b. 29 Nov 1818, Birmingham; two children, Ann & Hannah prob. by his first m.;& child Nathaniel Beddison SHORT.
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Hannah, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Ann, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with parents; Ann & Hannah SHORT, prob. half sisters.
d. prob. 1852 (BMD entry Q Mar 1850)
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1841 Cappel Llangendeirn aged 14
1851 Alltyrodin Llangenderine seamstress aged 24
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 34 Milliner
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More research needed. 9 David Jones', married & with the profession of Mason found in the 1851 census for Carmarthenshire (not all districts were in the Carms Archive Database). This is the most likely.
Page 10 district 4c Ho 107/2472
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David Jones Head M 56 Mason Llengendeirne
Jane Jones Wife M 50 - St Ishmael's Carmarthenshire
Mary Jones daughter U 24 Seamstress Llangendeirne
Eliza Jones daughter U 12 - Llangendeirne
Rachel Jones daughter U 10 - Llangendeirne
Joseph Jones son U 7 - Llangendeirne
Thomas Williams foster child U 1 - Llangendeirne
1841 Cappel Llangendeirne aged 9
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Details submitted stated that he married Anne Treharne, Jane Treharne & Margaret Davies
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1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 31 Agricultural Labourer living with wife's family
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales PauperDetails also found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths
1841 Cappel Llangendeirne aged 7
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 27
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales PauperDetails also found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 4
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 7 months
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales Pauper
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales Pauper
1881 census
Address: Henblaes, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5394/16 Page 7
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John DANIEL Head M Male 51 Carmarthen, Wales Ag Lab
Margret DANIEL Wife M Female 47 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane DANIEL Daur Female 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Anne DANIEL Daur Female 8 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
John DANIEL Son Male 4 Carmarthen, Wales
Jane JONES M In Law W Female 86 Carmarthen, Wales Pauper
email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
One child of parents m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 18611871 Cen. With grandparents at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacherm(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston,Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
1891 Cen living ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, Bordesley, Aston with son SH5.1A.1A.1A.1 John F SMITH b. 1886/7, his mother’s second husband, Francis William GREEN - pattern maker; and his daughter by first marriage, Jane GREEN - certified elementary school teacher.
1901 Cen. Living 16 Charles Road, Aston (St Oswalds Ward) - occupation Builder & Contractor (Employer), with wife; children Ewart Dempster SMITH b. 1894 Birmingham & Minette Louise SMITH b. 1899 Birmingham
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1881 Bank Llangendeirne Farm Labourer aged 41
Details also found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths
More research needed. 9 David Jones', married & with the profession of Mason found in the 1851 census for Carmarthenshire (not all districts were in the Carms Archive Database). This is the most likely.
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42 Alltyrodin
David Jones Head M 56 Mason Llengendeirne
Jane Jones Wife M 50 - St Ishmael's Carmarthenshire
Mary Jones daughter U 24 Seamstress Llangendeirne
Eliza Jones daughter U 12 - Llangendeirne
Rachel Jones daughter U 10 - Llangendeirne
Joseph Jones son U 7 - Llangendeirne
Thomas Williams foster child U 1 - Llangendeirne1841 Cappel Llangendeirne aged 2 months
1851 Alltyrodin Llangenderine scholar aged 10
1881 Bank Llangendeirne aged 40
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1881 Bank Llangendeirne scholar aged 4
1881 Bank Llangendeirne scholar aged 7
1881 Bank Llangendeirne scholar aged 9
1881 Bank Llangendeirne scholar aged 12
1881 Bank Llangendeirne Mason aged 18
1881 Bank Llangendeirne aged 18 months
More research needed. 9 David Jones', married & with the profession of Mason found in the 1851 census for Carmarthenshire (not all districts were in the Carms Archive Database). This is the most likely.
Page 10 district 4c Ho 107/2472
42 Alltyrodin
David Jones Head M 56 Mason Llengendeirne
Jane Jones Wife M 50 - St Ishmael's Carmarthenshire
Mary Jones daughter U 24 Seamstress Llangendeirne
Eliza Jones daughter U 12 - Llangendeirne
Rachel Jones daughter U 10 - Llangendeirne
Joseph Jones son U 7 - Llangendeirne
Thomas Williams foster child U 1 - Llangendeirne1851 Alltyrodin Llangenderine scholar aged 7
1861 Crwbyn Llangendeirne aged 17 Mason
Details also found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths
Details found on www.familysearch.org submitted by Daniel Rhys Griffiths