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1891 Penrheol Llangendeirne aged 5

1901 Penrheol Llangendeirne aged 14

Buired at Pisgah Baptist Chapel Banffosfelen aged 89 with his wife Mary Jones DOD 14.8.1958 aged 68.

Mary UNKNOWN

Buired at Pisgah Baptist Chapel Banffosfelen.

Ellis JONES

1901 Penrheol Llangendeirne aged 5

Samuel SHORT

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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street with Caroline, children Thomas, Jane and Sarah. Also living with them is 73 year old widowed ‘Ellen’ SHORT born ‘Mintrose’, Scotland. She is described as ‘Grandmother’ but is, almost certainly, Samuel’s mother Helen DEMPSTER. Samuel’s occupation: Iron Wire Drawer 1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with wife; children Thomas, Jane, Sarah & Harriet; also present is ‘nephew’ Henry SHORT aged 4, b. Birmingham and this appears to be Samuel’s great-nephew Thomas Henry SHORT, son of William SHORT b. 1835 who was illeg. son of Samuel’s sister Helen/Ellen SHORT. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. 1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with wife; child Harriet; ‘nephew’ Charles T TUNBRIDGE b. 1861/2, Birmingham shown as ‘nephew’ Charles T TIMBALL on the 1881 Cen. (This person has now been traced as Charles Thomas TIMBRELL/TIMBRILL b. 30 Oct 1861, bpt 12 Apr 1863 Aston Juxta, son of Frederick TIMBRELL & Charlotte CLARK(E), sister of wife Caroline CLARK(E)); and two lodgers who are Wire Drawers from Birmingham. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. Samuel & Caroline’s son Thomas and family are also living in Woolwich at this time. 1881 Cen. Living 159 Dartmouth St, Aston with wife and nephew Charles T. TIMBALL. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawerbef. 1891 death of Caroline 1891 Cen. Samuel living at 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham with his daughter Sarah., her husband Benjamin WILLIAMSON and their 8 children. Samuel is widower, occupation: Wire Drawerbef. 1901 death of Samuel SHORT

Caroline CLARKE

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1851 husband, children Thomas, Jane and Sarah. Also living with them is 73 year old widowed ‘Ellen’ SHORT born ‘Mintrose’, Scotland. She is described as ‘Grandmother’ but is, almost certainly, Samuel’s mother Helen DEMPSTER. Samuel’s occupation: Iron Wire Drawer
1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with husband; children Thomas, Jane, Sarah & Harriet; also present is ‘nephew’ Henry SHORT aged 4, b. Birmingham and this appears to be husband’s great-nephew Thomas Henry SHORT, son of William SHORT b. 1835 who was illeg. son of Samuel’s sister Helen/Ellen SHORT. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer.
1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with husband; child Harriet; ‘nephew’ Charles T TUNBRIDGE b. 1861/2, Birmingham shown as ‘nephew’ Charles T TIMBALL on the 1881 Cen. (This person has now been traced as Charles Thomas TIMBRELL/TIMBRILL b. 30 oct 1861, bpt 12 Apr 1863 Aston Juxta, son of Frederick TIMBRELL & Charlotte CLARK(E), caroline’s sister); and two lodgers who are Wire Drawers from Birmingham. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. Samuel & Caroline’s son Thomas and family are also living in Woolwich at this time.
1881 Cen. Living 159 Dartmouth St, Aston with wife and nephew Charles T. TIMBALL. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer

Jane SHORT

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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street, Aston with parents
1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents

Harriet SHORT

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1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents
1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with parents

Thomas SHORT

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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street, Aston with parents

1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents
m(1) SH3.11.1AS Mary, b. 1848 Birmingham

1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with wife Mary and their children, Louisa, James and Thomas. Occupation: Wire drawer

betw. 1877-80 moved back to B’ham

1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with second wife Caroline; children James & Thomas by first marriage; children Annie, Caroline, Minnie & Jane by second marriage. Occupation: Iron Wire Drawer

bef. 1888/9 moved to Ulverston, Cumberland and then to Manchester bef. 1891

1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with wife; children by second marriage, Caroline - occ. Weaver, Minnie, Jane, Samuel, Harry & John Charles. Occupation: Wire drawer. Gap of at least six years betw. b. of Samuel & Harry suggests more children who did not survive.

betw. 1891 and 1892 moved to Warrington

1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with wife; child from first m. Thomas - Moulders core maker, unmarried; children by second marriage Ann - domestic nurse, Jane - machinist shirts, Harry - Barber’s Lather Boy, Albert, Robert, Frank & Harold

Mary Emily GRUNDY

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Possibility only of her on 1850 at 160 Livery Street, Birmingham with Irish Grandparents John & Mary GRUNDY, Master Boot & Shoemakers

KF from BMD 30.4.2006 got these as possible deaths
Deaths Jun 1871 Short Mary Agnes 22 Hampstead 1a 471
Dec 1871 Short Mary 32 Woolwich 1d 624 (wrong age though - too old)
Mar 1873 SHORT Mary 19 Lambeth 1d 269 (wrong age though - too young)
June 1873 Short Mary Emily 28 Woolwich 1d 536 (wrong age but strong contender if b 1848 then 25)

Louisa SHORT

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1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with parents
1881 Cen. Possibly Gen Domestic Servant at 16 Winson Green Road, Birmingham All Saints

James SHORT

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1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with parents
1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with father & stepmother

Thomas SHORT

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1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with parents
1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with father & stepmother
1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with father & stepmother. Occupation: Moulder’s Core maker. Unmarried