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1861 Census
Roath Glamorgan
RG9/439 Page 8
9 Meteor Street
Henry P WINCHCOMBE Head M 47 Coal Factor Swansea
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Wife M 40 - Swansea
Alfred WINCHCOMBE Son S 21 Clerk in Provisian Stores Forest of Dean, Hants
Henry WINCHCOMBE Son S 20 Commercial Clerk Coal Office Merthyr Tydfil
Jestyn WINCHCOMBE Son S 18 Commercial Clerk Coal Office Tenby, Pembrokshire
Louisa WINCHCOMBE Daur S 16 Scholar Tenby, Pembrokshire
Miol (that's what it looks like) WINCHCOMBE Son S 14 Shipbroker Clerk Swansea
Letitia WINCHCOMBE Daur S 10 Scholar Swansea
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Son S 9 Scholar Swansea
Maria WINCHCOMBE Daur S 7 Scholar Swansea
Annie WINCHCOMBE Daur S 4 Scholar Swansea
E Gwenllyan WINCHCOMBE Daur S 2 Scholar Swansea1871 Census
Roath Cardiff Glamorgan
RG10/5366 Page 47/129
Partridge Road (Schedule 228)
Henry Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Head M 56 Colliery Agent Swansea, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Wife M 49 - Glyn Neath, Glamorgan
Alfred WINCHCOMBE Son S 30 Clerk to Shipbroker Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa WINCHCOMBE Daur S 26 no occupation Saundersfoot, Pembrokshire
Nicol WINCHCOMBE Son S 23 Accountant Swansea, Glamorgan
Lily WINCHCOMBE Daur S 20 no occupation Swansea, Glamorgan
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Son S 18 Merchant's Clerk Swansea
Annie WINCHCOMBE Daur S 14 Scholar Swansea, Mumbles, Glamorgan
Eugene Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 12 Scholar Swansea, Mumbles, Glamorgan1881 census
29 Henry Street, Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
PRO Ref: RG11 5340/66 43
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M Male 25 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Accountant
Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M Female 21 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Accountants Wife
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son Male 2 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Accountants Son1891 Census
Eglwysilan, Glamorgan Pontypridd
RG12/4410 Pg 3/91
11 Bedw Terrace
Henry LANE Head M 48 Coalminer Pilston Somerset English
Ann LANE Wife M 46 - Combebury Somerset English
Michael HERN Boarder S 22 Coalminer Wexford, Ireland English
William McGrath Boarder S 20 Coalminer Wexford, Ireland English
George COOPER Boarder S 17 Coalminer Aberychan, Monmouth English
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Boarder S 32 Coalminer Swansea, Glamorgan English
James FITZGERALD Boarder S 21 Coalminer Blaina, Monmouth English1901 Census
Ystradydodwg Treherbert Rhondda
RG13/5012 Pg 8/29
17 Blaencwm Terrace
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M 45 Coal Hewer Swansea, Glamorgan
Hannah Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M 41 - Neath, Glamorgan
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son S 22 Colliery, Lampman Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 19 - Swansea, Glamorgan
John Henry WINCHCOMBE Daur S 17 Coal Hewer: Helper Neath, Glamorgan
Rees Hopkin WINCHCOMBE Son S 7 - Neath, Glamorgan
Clifford Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Son S 3m - Treherbert, Glamorgan
Albert Evans visitor S 15 Blacksmith Apprentice London Chalk Farm
Marriage for Hannah Sophia
Marriages Mar 1878
Bartlett Hannah Sophia Cardiff 11a 265 Scan available - click to view
possible husbands are
THOMAS Charles Hayward Cardiff 11a 265
Winchcombe Arthur Cardiff 11a 2651861 Glamorgan census
4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET JOHN HD M 32 GARDENER GLS PRESTBURY 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET ELIZABETH WI M 29 - GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET MARY ANN DA U 6 SCHOLAR GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET MARY E. DA U 4 SCHOLAR GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET HANNAH S. DA U 7M - GLA NEATH 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET MARY A. VR U 20 - GLS PRESTBURY 4085 065B 086 HENRY ST.20 BARTLET HANNAH S. VR U 17 - GLS PRESTBURY
Extracted from the Parish Register Indexes for St. Thomas - Neath as published by the GFHS.
Margaret Ann BARTLETT Dau of John ( a Gardener ) and Elizabeth baptised 22/10/1854 Other children of the same parents:
Hannah Sophia (20/4/1863);
Letucia Jane (20/4/1863);
Mary Elizabeth (20/4/1863); Alice ( 3/7/1876);
Gertrude ( 7/2/1871);
Iestin Hopkin ( 13/4/1868); Louisa ( 15/4/1867); The family is shown as being of Neath in most cases but for the baptism of Alice an address of 8 Henry St. is given. The burial indexes give a John as being buried 24/9/1880 aged 56 but there is no Elizabeth shown. After about 1850 there were no "new" graves opened in Neath Churchyard and although burials may be shown in the Neath- St. Thomas P R the actual burial place may be in Llantwit Churchyard.1871 census
RG10/5429 page 17/31
Neath
8 Henry Street
John Bartlett Head M 47 Gardener Prestbury, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Bartlett Wife M 40 - Neath, Glamorgan
Margaret A Bartlett Daur S 16 - Neath, Glamorgan
Shophia Bartlett Daur S 10 Scholar *, Glamorgan
Lettishon Bartlett Daur S 8 Scholar Neath, Glamorgan
Louisa Bartlett Daur S 5 Scholar Neath, Glamorgan
Jestyn Bartlett Son S 3 Scholar Neath, Glamorgan
Gertrude Bartlett Daur S 3m Scholar Neath, Glamorgan1881 census
29 Henry Street, Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
PRO Ref: RG11 5340/66 43
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M Male 25 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Accountant
Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M Female 21 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Accountants Wife
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son Male 2 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Accountants Son1891 census
RG12/4462 Page 29/83
Civil Parish of Neath Parliamentary wad of Swansea in Glamorgan
51 Henry Street
John Bartlett Head M 60 Gardner Prestbury, Gloucestershire English
Eliza Bartlett Wife M 62 Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Letitia Bartlett Daur S 27 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Jestyn Bartlett Son S 23 Fitters Labourer Neath, Glamorgan English
Sophia Winchcombe Daur M 30 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
William Winchcombe GSon M 12 - Neath, Glamorgan English
Gwenllian Winchcombe GDaur M 10 - Neath, Glamorgan English
John Winchcombe GSon M 6 - Neath, Glamorgan English
William Evans GSon M 5 - London English1901 Census
Ystradydodwg Treherbert Rhondda
RG13/5012 Pg 8/29
17 Blaencwm Terrace
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M 45 Coal Hewer Swansea, Glamorgan
Hannah Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M 41 - Neath, Glamorgan
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son S 22 Colliery, Lampman Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 19 - Swansea, Glamorgan
John Henry WINCHCOMBE Daur S 17 Coal Hewer: Helper Neath, Glamorgan
Rees Hopkin WINCHCOMBE Son S 7 - Neath, Glamorgan
Clifford Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Son S 3m - Treherbert, Glamorgan
Albert Evans visitor S 15 Blacksmith Apprentice London Chalk Farm
1881 census
29 Henry Street, Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
PRO Ref: RG11 5340/66 43
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M Male 25 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Accountant
Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M Female 21 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Accountants Wife
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son Male 2 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Accountants Son1891 census
RG12/4462 Page 29/83
Civil Parish of Neath Parliamentary wad of Swansea in Glamorgan
51 Henry Street
John Bartlett Head M 60 Gardner Prestbury, Gloucestershire English
Eliza Bartlett Wife M 62 Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Letitia Bartlett Daur S 27 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Jestyn Bartlett Son S 23 Fitters Labourer Neath, Glamorgan English
Sophia Winchcombe Daur M 30 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
William Winchcombe GSon M 12 - Neath, Glamorgan English
Gwenllian Winchcombe GDaur M 10 - Neath, Glamorgan English
John Winchcombe GSon M 6 - Neath, Glamorgan English
William Evans GSon M 5 - London English1901 Census
Ystradydodwg Treherbert Rhondda
RG13/5012 Pg 8/29
17 Blaencwm Terrace
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M 45 Coal Hewer Swansea, Glamorgan
Hannah Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M 41 - Neath, Glamorgan
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son S 22 Colliery, Lampman Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 19 - Swansea, Glamorgan
John Henry WINCHCOMBE Daur S 17 Coal Hewer: Helper Neath, Glamorgan
Rees Hopkin WINCHCOMBE Son S 7 - Neath, Glamorgan
Clifford Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Son S 3m - Treherbert, Glamorgan
Albert Evans visitor S 15 Blacksmith Apprentice London Chalk Farm
1891 census
RG12/4462 Page 29/83
Civil Parish of Neath Parliamentary wad of Swansea in Glamorgan
51 Henry Street
John Bartlett Head M 60 Gardner Prestbury, Gloucestershire English
Eliza Bartlett Wife M 62 Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Letitia Bartlett Daur S 27 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Jestyn Bartlett Son S 23 Fitters Labourer Neath, Glamorgan English
Sophia Winchcombe Daur M 30 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
William Winchcombe GSon M 12 - Neath, Glamorgan English
Gwenllian Winchcombe GDaur M 10 - Neath, Glamorgan English
John Winchcombe GSon M 6 - Neath, Glamorgan English
William Evans GSon M 5 - London English1901 Census
Ystradydodwg Treherbert Rhondda
RG13/5012 Pg 8/29
17 Blaencwm Terrace
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M 45 Coal Hewer Swansea, Glamorgan
Hannah Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M 41 - Neath, Glamorgan
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son S 22 Colliery, Lampman Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 19 - Swansea, Glamorgan
John Henry WINCHCOMBE Daur S 17 Coal Hewer: Helper Neath, Glamorgan
Rees Hopkin WINCHCOMBE Son S 7 - Neath, Glamorgan
Clifford Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Son S 3m - Treherbert, Glamorgan
Albert Evans visitor S 15 Blacksmith Apprentice London Chalk Farm
1891 census
RG12/4462 Page 29/83
Civil Parish of Neath Parliamentary wad of Swansea in Glamorgan
51 Henry Street
John Bartlett Head M 60 Gardner Prestbury, Gloucestershire English
Eliza Bartlett Wife M 62 Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Letitia Bartlett Daur S 27 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
Jestyn Bartlett Son S 23 Fitters Labourer Neath, Glamorgan English
Sophia Winchcombe Daur M 30 Dressmaker Neath, Glamorgan Bilingual
William Winchcombe GSon M 12 - Neath, Glamorgan English
Gwenllian Winchcombe GDaur M 10 - Neath, Glamorgan English
John Winchcombe GSon M 6 - Neath, Glamorgan English
William Evans GSon M 5 - London English1901 Census
Ystradydodwg Treherbert Rhondda
RG13/5012 Pg 8/29
17 Blaencwm Terrace
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M 45 Coal Hewer Swansea, Glamorgan
Hannah Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M 41 - Neath, Glamorgan
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son S 22 Colliery, Lampman Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 19 - Swansea, Glamorgan
John Henry WINCHCOMBE Daur S 17 Coal Hewer: Helper Neath, Glamorgan
Rees Hopkin WINCHCOMBE Son S 7 - Neath, Glamorgan
Clifford Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Son S 3m - Treherbert, Glamorgan
Albert Evans visitor S 15 Blacksmith Apprentice London Chalk Farm
1901 Census
Ystradydodwg Treherbert Rhondda
RG13/5012 Pg 8/29
17 Blaencwm Terrace
Arthur WINCHCOMBE Head M 45 Coal Hewer Swansea, Glamorgan
Hannah Sophia WINCHCOMBE Wife M 41 - Neath, Glamorgan
William Herbert WINCHCOMBE Son S 22 Colliery, Lampman Neath, Glamorgan
Gwenllian WINCHCOMBE Daur S 19 - Swansea, Glamorgan
John Henry WINCHCOMBE Daur S 17 Coal Hewer: Helper Neath, Glamorgan
Rees Hopkin WINCHCOMBE Son S 7 - Neath, Glamorgan
Clifford Phillimore WINCHCOMBE Son S 3m - Treherbert, Glamorgan
Albert Evans visitor S 15 Blacksmith Apprentice London Chalk Farm
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was at one time a stereotyper, which in those days was another name for a print compositor
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Name taken from marriage certificate.
Name taken from IGI Internet. This is disproved at this point
Surname also taken from IGI as the only marriage of John WELCH to a Sarah that matches in date terms to Sarah Ann & Eliza Mary
email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004
provided middle name
Alfred had a tinning business in Birmingham and acted in and produced amateur theatrical shows. He went to Belgium with one of his shows and fell off his bicycle while riding a tight rope. He married Agnes Emily White and had 9 children. He died in 1911 aged 65.1851 census
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with wife and children Harry J & Francis Thomas (Frank). Occupation: Tinner
KF's 1881 census details
1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with wife; children Harry J - tinner, Francis Thomas (Frank) - Tinner, Ada Emily - Warehouse girl, Lilian Harriet - Silver Burnisher, Clara Margaret, Agnes ?Florence?, Alfred Dudley & Elsie May
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with wife; children Alfred Dudley - Solicitor’s clerk, Elsie May - Clerk ….., & Constance Mary
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He married Agnes Emily White and had 9 children.email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with husband and children Harry J & Francis Thomas (Frank). Husband’s ccupation: TinnerKF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with husband - self-employed tinner & founder; children Harry J - tinner, Francis Thomas (Frank) - Tinner, Ada Emily - Warehouse girl, Lilian Harriet - Silver Burnisher, Clara Margaret, Agnes Florence, Alfred Dudley & Elsie May
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with husband; children Alfred Dudley - Solicitor’s clerk, Elsie May - Clerk ….., & Constance Mary
10 May 1911 death of Alfred Joseph bur. Handsworth New Cemy
email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004
provided name, year of death and age.
email from Virginia Stokes 30/12/2004
gave married name of Elsie Mayemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents.
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with parents.
Children: Living children -information withheldFrom Virginia STOKES: Lillian, Elsie's sister used to say that Elsie was different from the other children. She put it down to the French connection. Elsie's gggrandmother on her mother's side was French and used to go dancing when in her 90s. Elsie proved them right she outlived her siblings by many years. Just before the Great Depression Elsie's husband left for Canada and never returned. The family was quite poor as a result and Elsie sublet rooms and did dress making to support the family. In 1932 Elsie was accidentally shot by a .22 or pea rifle at a fun fair. She was taken to hospital to have the bullet removed from her thigh. It just missed her 3 year old son's head.